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	<title>Comments on: More than 500 extra teachers rated &#8220;unsatisfactory&#8221; this year</title>
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		<title>By: dohtur</title>
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		<dc:creator>dohtur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jun 2010 21:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Disastrous teachers getting satisfactory because they get along with the principal. And excellent profesionals getting U for personal reasons.The system collapsing by itself in the hands of unscrupulous principals.&quot; - couldn&#039;t have said it better myself. My mother, a teacher of 20+ years, who routinely receives excellent reports from both teachers and parents in her school, with her students top of their school in performance (test scores), now received a &quot;U&quot; rating. There are several other excellent teachers in her school who were working (instead of cozying up to the principal and finding ways to skirt difficult classrooms) who received similar treatment. When a corrupt system is allowed to self-audit, the results are predictable: more corruption, and even worse schools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Disastrous teachers getting satisfactory because they get along with the principal. And excellent profesionals getting U for personal reasons.The system collapsing by itself in the hands of unscrupulous principals.&#8221; &#8211; couldn&#8217;t have said it better myself. My mother, a teacher of 20+ years, who routinely receives excellent reports from both teachers and parents in her school, with her students top of their school in performance (test scores), now received a &#8220;U&#8221; rating. There are several other excellent teachers in her school who were working (instead of cozying up to the principal and finding ways to skirt difficult classrooms) who received similar treatment. When a corrupt system is allowed to self-audit, the results are predictable: more corruption, and even worse schools.</p>
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		<title>By: Hevia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hevia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 23:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the way the system is working right
now:
Desastrous teachers getting  satisfactory because they get along with the principal. And excellent profesionals getting U for personal reasons.
The system collapsing by
itself in the hands of unscrupulous principals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the way the system is working right<br />
now:<br />
Desastrous teachers getting  satisfactory because they get along with the principal. And excellent profesionals getting U for personal reasons.<br />
The system collapsing by<br />
itself in the hands of unscrupulous principals.</p>
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		<title>By: Corruption</title>
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		<dc:creator>Corruption</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Broken Spirit, your not the only one in that situation. It shows total corruption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Broken Spirit, your not the only one in that situation. It shows total corruption.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Krashen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Krashen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 18:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A friendly amendment to M. Fiorillo&#039;s comments: 

Do you want to improve SCHOOL PERFORMANCE of poor and minority students? Then improve their lives: Provide their parents with living-wage jobs, adequate housing, medical, dental and mental health care and, yes, adequately funded schools with committed (sorry, TFA) and qualified teachers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friendly amendment to M. Fiorillo&#8217;s comments: </p>
<p>Do you want to improve SCHOOL PERFORMANCE of poor and minority students? Then improve their lives: Provide their parents with living-wage jobs, adequate housing, medical, dental and mental health care and, yes, adequately funded schools with committed (sorry, TFA) and qualified teachers.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Fiorillo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Fiorillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 20:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a teacher, I&#039;d be the last one to minimize our (potential) importance in the lives of students, but as others have pointed out, &quot;Why the obsessive focus on incompetent teachers, to the complete exclusion of other professions and fields?&quot;

The US has a shamefully high infant and maternal death rate: why aren&#039;t OB-GYNs being targeted with the same passion?

The US has lower life expectancy than other developed nations: where are the witchhunts against primary care doctors and other health care professionals (let alone the real &quot;death panels,&quot; the insurers)?

The US incarcerates more people than any other nation on earth, most of them minority, and many of them warehoused in private, for-profit prisons, providing a structural incentive for continuing incarceration: where are the corporate think tanks, foundations and PR firms making noise about this &quot;Civil Rights Issue of Our Time?&quot;

The reason those debates have so little &quot;juice&quot; is because these fields have already been privatized, with free reign given to those who would count, measure, control and commodify and market everything. Public education, along with Social Security, is the last major universal, public good left to be taken over by the hedge funds, private equity parasites and venture capitalists. Thus, this unending campaign against teachers and their unions, and this absurd debate about teacher quality.

I&#039;m not proposing witchhunts. My point is that this very discussion proves the success of corporate ed deform in framing the issue of education solely as one of teacher quality. Even the unions have allowed themselves to be suckered into this twisted, unfair discourse, which they can only lose.

Do you want to improve the lives of poor and minority students? Then improve the lives of poor and minority students: provide their parents with living-wage jobs, adequate housing, medical, dental and mental health care and, yes, adequately funded schools with committed (sorry, TFA) and qualified teachers. Until we open up that debate, teachers will be shouted into a corner by arrogant know-nothings with thick wallets, pursuing their own interests in the name of &quot;The Underprivileged.&quot;

As for edu-scientist (now that&#039;s a hot one), I&#039;d like to quote Norbert Wiener, a mathematician and early computer scientist, and coiner of the term &quot;cyber:&quot; 

     &quot;The success of mathematical physics led the social scientist to be jealous of its power without quite understanding the intellectual attitudes that had contributed to this power. The use of mathematical formulae had accompanied the development of the natural sciences  and became the mode in the social sciences... so the economists (MF: and &quot;psychometricians&quot; as well the overwhelming majority of ideologically-subsidized &quot;education researchers&quot;) have developed the habit of dressing up their rather imprecise ideas in the language of the infinitesimal calculus.&quot;

                   Norbert Wiener, &quot;God and Golem, Inc.&quot; 

I know this dates me, but every time I hear a DOE/Ed Deform mouthpiece say &quot;Research shows that...&quot;, while pulling some self-serving nonsense out of their butt,  I think of the old Trident gum ad:&quot;Four out of five dentists surveyed recommend Trident to their patients who chew gum.&quot;

Yeah, that&#039;s the ticket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a teacher, I&#8217;d be the last one to minimize our (potential) importance in the lives of students, but as others have pointed out, &#8220;Why the obsessive focus on incompetent teachers, to the complete exclusion of other professions and fields?&#8221;</p>
<p>The US has a shamefully high infant and maternal death rate: why aren&#8217;t OB-GYNs being targeted with the same passion?</p>
<p>The US has lower life expectancy than other developed nations: where are the witchhunts against primary care doctors and other health care professionals (let alone the real &#8220;death panels,&#8221; the insurers)?</p>
<p>The US incarcerates more people than any other nation on earth, most of them minority, and many of them warehoused in private, for-profit prisons, providing a structural incentive for continuing incarceration: where are the corporate think tanks, foundations and PR firms making noise about this &#8220;Civil Rights Issue of Our Time?&#8221;</p>
<p>The reason those debates have so little &#8220;juice&#8221; is because these fields have already been privatized, with free reign given to those who would count, measure, control and commodify and market everything. Public education, along with Social Security, is the last major universal, public good left to be taken over by the hedge funds, private equity parasites and venture capitalists. Thus, this unending campaign against teachers and their unions, and this absurd debate about teacher quality.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not proposing witchhunts. My point is that this very discussion proves the success of corporate ed deform in framing the issue of education solely as one of teacher quality. Even the unions have allowed themselves to be suckered into this twisted, unfair discourse, which they can only lose.</p>
<p>Do you want to improve the lives of poor and minority students? Then improve the lives of poor and minority students: provide their parents with living-wage jobs, adequate housing, medical, dental and mental health care and, yes, adequately funded schools with committed (sorry, TFA) and qualified teachers. Until we open up that debate, teachers will be shouted into a corner by arrogant know-nothings with thick wallets, pursuing their own interests in the name of &#8220;The Underprivileged.&#8221;</p>
<p>As for edu-scientist (now that&#8217;s a hot one), I&#8217;d like to quote Norbert Wiener, a mathematician and early computer scientist, and coiner of the term &#8220;cyber:&#8221; </p>
<p>     &#8220;The success of mathematical physics led the social scientist to be jealous of its power without quite understanding the intellectual attitudes that had contributed to this power. The use of mathematical formulae had accompanied the development of the natural sciences  and became the mode in the social sciences&#8230; so the economists (MF: and &#8220;psychometricians&#8221; as well the overwhelming majority of ideologically-subsidized &#8220;education researchers&#8221;) have developed the habit of dressing up their rather imprecise ideas in the language of the infinitesimal calculus.&#8221;</p>
<p>                   Norbert Wiener, &#8220;God and Golem, Inc.&#8221; </p>
<p>I know this dates me, but every time I hear a DOE/Ed Deform mouthpiece say &#8220;Research shows that&#8230;&#8221;, while pulling some self-serving nonsense out of their butt,  I think of the old Trident gum ad:&#8221;Four out of five dentists surveyed recommend Trident to their patients who chew gum.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, that&#8217;s the ticket.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Broken Spirit,
The SYSTEM is BS.
You hint at the tenure timing.  Perhaps there more cause-and-effect than coinkidink?

GS,
Thank you for featuring the above teacher&#039;s plight in &quot;Chalk It Up.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Broken Spirit,<br />
The SYSTEM is BS.<br />
You hint at the tenure timing.  Perhaps there more cause-and-effect than coinkidink?</p>
<p>GS,<br />
Thank you for featuring the above teacher&#8217;s plight in &#8220;Chalk It Up.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Broken Spirit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Broken Spirit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was a probationary teacher whose tenure was extended an extra year only to find myself receiving a U-rating at the end of the following year. When receiving this news I didn&#039;t even know how great the damage would be. I had been teaching for 3 years always receiving an S on my observations but around April of my 4th year when I was expecting to finally receive my tenure i had an issue withba parent complaining that i didn&#039;t call him enough to notify him on how his son was doing. This must have angered the principal who then began to harass me with letters and a final observation where she gave me a U, my only one along with my U rating and discontinued me. I have filed for an appeal to this decision only to find out that this system is unjust. I have been labeled as an Unsatisfactory teacher in DOE and since June i have been unable to find another job teaching, being informed that all principals see my U rating. I have been waiting four months now to plead my case and try to save a career i love. How can a system be fair when they are so quick to label a teacher incompetent no questions asked  and make them feel and appear guilty until months later they get a chance to prove themselves innocent? I was harassed the whole month of June after knowing I&#039;d be terminated in may and now I find myself unemployed with my hands tied unable to make a living in a career i&#039;ve worked so hard to earn. My spirit has been broken  by all this injustice and find myself desperate for someone to help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was a probationary teacher whose tenure was extended an extra year only to find myself receiving a U-rating at the end of the following year. When receiving this news I didn&#8217;t even know how great the damage would be. I had been teaching for 3 years always receiving an S on my observations but around April of my 4th year when I was expecting to finally receive my tenure i had an issue withba parent complaining that i didn&#8217;t call him enough to notify him on how his son was doing. This must have angered the principal who then began to harass me with letters and a final observation where she gave me a U, my only one along with my U rating and discontinued me. I have filed for an appeal to this decision only to find out that this system is unjust. I have been labeled as an Unsatisfactory teacher in DOE and since June i have been unable to find another job teaching, being informed that all principals see my U rating. I have been waiting four months now to plead my case and try to save a career i love. How can a system be fair when they are so quick to label a teacher incompetent no questions asked  and make them feel and appear guilty until months later they get a chance to prove themselves innocent? I was harassed the whole month of June after knowing I&#8217;d be terminated in may and now I find myself unemployed with my hands tied unable to make a living in a career i&#8217;ve worked so hard to earn. My spirit has been broken  by all this injustice and find myself desperate for someone to help.</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know a first year teacher who was given a &quot;U&quot; this year.  She worked hard and was not given any notice about her &quot;U&quot; until the middle of May.  Up to this point she thought she was doing well.  She taught in a bad neighborhood.  Her students loved her.  Her student&#039;s ELA grades went up.  However, the principal told her in June, to her surprise, that there was bad blood between them and therefore he gave a “U” and discontinued her from the Dept of Ed system.  She usually had little to do with him, so she did not understand why he said that there was bad blood between them.  She is fully certified and was due a bonus from the Dept of Ed.  It seems to me being from a corporate background that perhaps her principal did not want to have to pay out that bonus.  Whatever the case, I have never seem anything so deplorable in the Corporate world.  There is a total lack of integrity in what this principal did to this young teacher.  He totally broke the UFT contract and her spirit.  The power of the principals needs to be limited because they have more power than many Senior Vice President&#039;s that I have known and less integrity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know a first year teacher who was given a &#8220;U&#8221; this year.  She worked hard and was not given any notice about her &#8220;U&#8221; until the middle of May.  Up to this point she thought she was doing well.  She taught in a bad neighborhood.  Her students loved her.  Her student&#8217;s ELA grades went up.  However, the principal told her in June, to her surprise, that there was bad blood between them and therefore he gave a “U” and discontinued her from the Dept of Ed system.  She usually had little to do with him, so she did not understand why he said that there was bad blood between them.  She is fully certified and was due a bonus from the Dept of Ed.  It seems to me being from a corporate background that perhaps her principal did not want to have to pay out that bonus.  Whatever the case, I have never seem anything so deplorable in the Corporate world.  There is a total lack of integrity in what this principal did to this young teacher.  He totally broke the UFT contract and her spirit.  The power of the principals needs to be limited because they have more power than many Senior Vice President&#8217;s that I have known and less integrity.</p>
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		<title>By: What Does the Increasing Rate of Teacher U Ratings Mean? Has the Teacher Quality Bar Moved Up, or Are Principals Less Competent and More Vindictive? Teacher Quality and Ratings Must Be Carefully Studied. &#171; Ed In The Apple</title>
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		<dc:creator>What Does the Increasing Rate of Teacher U Ratings Mean? Has the Teacher Quality Bar Moved Up, or Are Principals Less Competent and More Vindictive? Teacher Quality and Ratings Must Be Carefully Studied. &#171; Ed In The Apple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 22, 2009 &#183; Leave a Comment   As reported in Gotham Schools the number/percent of unsatisfactory ratings handed out to teachers has increased, a little.   [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 22, 2009 &middot; Leave a Comment   As reported in Gotham Schools the number/percent of unsatisfactory ratings handed out to teachers has increased, a little.   [...]</p>
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		<title>By: canwetalk</title>
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		<dc:creator>canwetalk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 00:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Norm regarding “No organization is an all star team top to bottom..”

General Motors?
Bear Sterns?
The NY State legislature?
The Bush White House?


             
                                                                                                                                         I would also like to add Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, Lehman Bros., AIG, etc.






















                                                                                                    Every organization has to deal with people who lack competence.  However, the education system is different where we are a &quot;people entity&quot; and not a &quot;product entity&quot;.  Teachers have the opportunity to excel in this professional if provided with the best support from experienced administrators who were supposedly master teachers at one time.  When I came into the system over 20 years ago, I was fortunate to have a retired, 36-year veteran as my mentor.  She stayed with me for an entire year.  Once a week she came in armed with teaching strategies material and with an open-arm to listen to my fears and that each week&#039;s struggle.  She also modeled lessons which today&#039;s administrators will not do because of their lack of experience or no experience in the classroom.  I feel that the union should provide a breakdown of reason behind the U&#039;s.  How many U&#039;s were given to 1st, 2nd and 3rd year teachers?  How many are from the TFA or NYCTF programs?  How many received extensive support from administration?  How many were mentored through the New Teacher Mentoring Program?  How many full-period formal observations were done on these the U-rating teachers?  How many of these teachers feel they were u-rated because their passing rates were too low?  Or refused to be involved in these &quot;credit-recovery&quot; programs?  How many of the tenured teachers received a u-rating because their educational philosophy clashed with the principal&#039;s vision?  How many chapter leaders received u-ratings?
I feel that a comprehensive report must be done to assess the reason for the increase of u-ratings.  By the BoE flaunting this increase as &quot;a concerted effort by school officials to make it easier for principals to terminate poorly performing teachers&quot;, stated by Ann Forte, they are creating an environment of scare-tactics.  Every probationary teacher will teach in fear, work in fear, collaborate in fear, and submit grades in fear!  Teaching has always been a noble profession of people caring for the future of other people.  I never thought that I would see the day where an incompetent, inexperienced administrator is given so much power to destroy the livelihood and career of an individual who is being deemed incompetent by an administrator who had probably watched a 5-hour video on how to be an effective leader!  How do you destroy a large organization?  Place fear in everyone&#039;s heart, start with administrators losing their jobs where the fear will trickle down to the most vulnerable, untenured teachers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Norm regarding “No organization is an all star team top to bottom..”</p>
<p>General Motors?<br />
Bear Sterns?<br />
The NY State legislature?<br />
The Bush White House?</p>
<p>                                                                                                                                         I would also like to add Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, Lehman Bros., AIG, etc.</p>
<p>                                                                                                    Every organization has to deal with people who lack competence.  However, the education system is different where we are a &#8220;people entity&#8221; and not a &#8220;product entity&#8221;.  Teachers have the opportunity to excel in this professional if provided with the best support from experienced administrators who were supposedly master teachers at one time.  When I came into the system over 20 years ago, I was fortunate to have a retired, 36-year veteran as my mentor.  She stayed with me for an entire year.  Once a week she came in armed with teaching strategies material and with an open-arm to listen to my fears and that each week&#8217;s struggle.  She also modeled lessons which today&#8217;s administrators will not do because of their lack of experience or no experience in the classroom.  I feel that the union should provide a breakdown of reason behind the U&#8217;s.  How many U&#8217;s were given to 1st, 2nd and 3rd year teachers?  How many are from the TFA or NYCTF programs?  How many received extensive support from administration?  How many were mentored through the New Teacher Mentoring Program?  How many full-period formal observations were done on these the U-rating teachers?  How many of these teachers feel they were u-rated because their passing rates were too low?  Or refused to be involved in these &#8220;credit-recovery&#8221; programs?  How many of the tenured teachers received a u-rating because their educational philosophy clashed with the principal&#8217;s vision?  How many chapter leaders received u-ratings?<br />
I feel that a comprehensive report must be done to assess the reason for the increase of u-ratings.  By the BoE flaunting this increase as &#8220;a concerted effort by school officials to make it easier for principals to terminate poorly performing teachers&#8221;, stated by Ann Forte, they are creating an environment of scare-tactics.  Every probationary teacher will teach in fear, work in fear, collaborate in fear, and submit grades in fear!  Teaching has always been a noble profession of people caring for the future of other people.  I never thought that I would see the day where an incompetent, inexperienced administrator is given so much power to destroy the livelihood and career of an individual who is being deemed incompetent by an administrator who had probably watched a 5-hour video on how to be an effective leader!  How do you destroy a large organization?  Place fear in everyone&#8217;s heart, start with administrators losing their jobs where the fear will trickle down to the most vulnerable, untenured teachers!</p>
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		<title>By: inexile</title>
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		<dc:creator>inexile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 22:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reality is that Principals have a performance-based contract and they are holding staff accountable for their performance. More and more Principals and Assistant Principals are being rated U or forced to resign too.

First of all, I don&#039;t think any teacher would object to being held accountable for their performance.  How you measure performance is an ongoing dilemma.  A/Ps have tenure while Principals don&#039;t.  In my experience, a principal is hard to get rid of even when the parents of the children in that school find the principal unacceptable.  I have seen remarkably incompetent administrators hold on to their jobs year after year.  I agree with Laromana, the only people really being held accountable are teachers - not administrators.  The current zeitgeist is anit-teacher pro-management.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reality is that Principals have a performance-based contract and they are holding staff accountable for their performance. More and more Principals and Assistant Principals are being rated U or forced to resign too.</p>
<p>First of all, I don&#8217;t think any teacher would object to being held accountable for their performance.  How you measure performance is an ongoing dilemma.  A/Ps have tenure while Principals don&#8217;t.  In my experience, a principal is hard to get rid of even when the parents of the children in that school find the principal unacceptable.  I have seen remarkably incompetent administrators hold on to their jobs year after year.  I agree with Laromana, the only people really being held accountable are teachers &#8211; not administrators.  The current zeitgeist is anit-teacher pro-management.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 22:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alim,

Principals may be forced to love their Progress Reports, but may have more reason to fear them -- they are high stakes random letter generators.</description>
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<p>Principals may be forced to love their Progress Reports, but may have more reason to fear them &#8212; they are high stakes random letter generators.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. A. Talk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. A. Talk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 22:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edu--seems we agree on a lot of points. I especially agree with the &quot;gotchas&quot;. Teachers who come to school prepared, willing to teach, and able to handle discipline should have nothing to fear. Unfortunately, they do. 

I consider myself a good teacher by just about any criteria you&#039;d care to mention. I know a lot of other teachers at my previous school who were equally good, if not better. Some of us were targeted because we we involved in union activity, and others because we had committed the unpardonable crime of climbing the salary scale. All of those teachers are now gone from that school. The ones who could retire, did. Lucky ones like me found jobs at better schools. Some lost their jobs. In the end, there were no really good teachers at that school--just a bunch of young people putting in their two years before they went off to Long Island or Yonkers. An environment of fear permeated the walls of that school. I hope never to teach in such a place again. But I know there are many such places around NYC, where principals rule by intimidation and U ratings are used to squash union activity and save money.

I do believe that most experienced teachers are quite good, by which I mean I&#039;d have no objection to having my child taught by them. I would hate for my child to be taught by a TFA or a Fellow, because experience matters and I wouldn&#039;t want services from any professional who wanted to put just two years in and bolt. 

I&#039;d support a system in which teachers evaluate each other, although I don&#039;t think they should evaluate teachers in their own schools (too many opportunities for bias). If that happened, you might find an even higher rate of U&#039;s given out, but they would be given out for the right reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edu&#8211;seems we agree on a lot of points. I especially agree with the &#8220;gotchas&#8221;. Teachers who come to school prepared, willing to teach, and able to handle discipline should have nothing to fear. Unfortunately, they do. </p>
<p>I consider myself a good teacher by just about any criteria you&#8217;d care to mention. I know a lot of other teachers at my previous school who were equally good, if not better. Some of us were targeted because we we involved in union activity, and others because we had committed the unpardonable crime of climbing the salary scale. All of those teachers are now gone from that school. The ones who could retire, did. Lucky ones like me found jobs at better schools. Some lost their jobs. In the end, there were no really good teachers at that school&#8211;just a bunch of young people putting in their two years before they went off to Long Island or Yonkers. An environment of fear permeated the walls of that school. I hope never to teach in such a place again. But I know there are many such places around NYC, where principals rule by intimidation and U ratings are used to squash union activity and save money.</p>
<p>I do believe that most experienced teachers are quite good, by which I mean I&#8217;d have no objection to having my child taught by them. I would hate for my child to be taught by a TFA or a Fellow, because experience matters and I wouldn&#8217;t want services from any professional who wanted to put just two years in and bolt. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d support a system in which teachers evaluate each other, although I don&#8217;t think they should evaluate teachers in their own schools (too many opportunities for bias). If that happened, you might find an even higher rate of U&#8217;s given out, but they would be given out for the right reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: alim</title>
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		<dc:creator>alim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reality is that Principals have a performance-based contract and they are holding staff accountable for their performance. More and more Principals and Assistant Principals are being rated U or forced to resign too.
 Sara, Principals love their Progress Report and Quality Review scores more than young pretty teachers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reality is that Principals have a performance-based contract and they are holding staff accountable for their performance. More and more Principals and Assistant Principals are being rated U or forced to resign too.<br />
 Sara, Principals love their Progress Report and Quality Review scores more than young pretty teachers.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just because 1,500 sounds like a good number to some does not mean it&#039;s the appropriate 1,500.

In addition to above commenters&#039; individual anecdotes, note that the main post cites the questionable quality of teacher evaluation SYSTEMS, of which I would suggest &quot;binary&quot; ones be included if not already.

I would also note the potential adverse effects on recruiting ANY teachers into a system perceived as capricious or arbitrary, let alone spiteful.

I am also struck by the shape of the graph:  For three years, the &quot;gap&quot; stayed constant; in the fourth, big divergence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because 1,500 sounds like a good number to some does not mean it&#8217;s the appropriate 1,500.</p>
<p>In addition to above commenters&#8217; individual anecdotes, note that the main post cites the questionable quality of teacher evaluation SYSTEMS, of which I would suggest &#8220;binary&#8221; ones be included if not already.</p>
<p>I would also note the potential adverse effects on recruiting ANY teachers into a system perceived as capricious or arbitrary, let alone spiteful.</p>
<p>I am also struck by the shape of the graph:  For three years, the &#8220;gap&#8221; stayed constant; in the fourth, big divergence.</p>
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		<title>By: edu_scientist</title>
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		<dc:creator>edu_scientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Most teachers are pretty damn good. Some are mediocre. A few are hopeless. The hopeless ones should have been fired before they achieved tenure. The mediocre ones should be helped. And the pretty damn good ones should be given the latitude to do their jobs properly without the interference of a bunch of non-teacher bureaucrats who think they understand education...&quot; 

I am not sure what you would consider &quot;damn good&quot; but by NYCDOE/BOE standards most teachers are satisfactory or high satisfactory. I said that in my initial post. Actually, I agree with everything you said you in your post. I have been in the DOE/BOE for 18 years. And I have ever seen a good teacher put their feet up &amp; read the newspaper - NEVER. Any good educator has too much respect for children and their profession to do such a thing. We all know that. 

I am not even talking about the mediocre teacher who tries their hardest but just doesn&#039;t have the intangibles that makes someone from good to great. As long as they try and are willing to grow, they will be fine &amp; and satisfactory. 

I am talking about the whack jobs! The ones who are late to their classes repeatedly. The ones that are disheveled. The ones who don&#039;t know how to talk to children, use profanity. The ones who put more effort into UFT meetings than they do their lessons. The ones who make no effort to grow professionally. The ones who sneak out when they think no one is watching. The ones who could care less about supporting their colleagues. 

Certainly... you have seen that person in your career. Their is usually 1 - 5 in each building. 

1 X 1500 schools would give you 1500 Unsatisfactory ratings. Finally people are doing their job. 

However, it is a sad story about the U in someone&#039;s 32nd year. It is sad to hear the U rating given out as punishment. I am sorry to say... I have seen that as well. 

None of this would change under any administration. I think if we had message boards going back 50 years we would see the same type of posts. 

I have come to the conclusion that this is simply the way it is always going to be. Unfortunately/fortunately it differs from school to school. Some schools get it... well run schools are partnerships between every member of the school community. Administrators don&#039;t play &quot;gotcha&quot; and teachers understand that being a professional means growing. So when you introduce something like ARIS at a PD, they see the value and not sit back and gripe. 

The education scientist stands up and starts singing at this point... 

We are the world
We are the children
We are the ones who make a brighter day
So let&#039;s start giving
There&#039;s a choice we&#039;re making
We&#039;re saving our own lives
It&#039;s true we&#039;ll make a better day
Just you and me

Send them your heart
So they&#039;ll know that someone cares
And their lives will be stronger and free
As God has shown us by turning stone to bread
So we all must lend a helping hand</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Most teachers are pretty damn good. Some are mediocre. A few are hopeless. The hopeless ones should have been fired before they achieved tenure. The mediocre ones should be helped. And the pretty damn good ones should be given the latitude to do their jobs properly without the interference of a bunch of non-teacher bureaucrats who think they understand education&#8230;&#8221; </p>
<p>I am not sure what you would consider &#8220;damn good&#8221; but by NYCDOE/BOE standards most teachers are satisfactory or high satisfactory. I said that in my initial post. Actually, I agree with everything you said you in your post. I have been in the DOE/BOE for 18 years. And I have ever seen a good teacher put their feet up &amp; read the newspaper &#8211; NEVER. Any good educator has too much respect for children and their profession to do such a thing. We all know that. </p>
<p>I am not even talking about the mediocre teacher who tries their hardest but just doesn&#8217;t have the intangibles that makes someone from good to great. As long as they try and are willing to grow, they will be fine &amp; and satisfactory. </p>
<p>I am talking about the whack jobs! The ones who are late to their classes repeatedly. The ones that are disheveled. The ones who don&#8217;t know how to talk to children, use profanity. The ones who put more effort into UFT meetings than they do their lessons. The ones who make no effort to grow professionally. The ones who sneak out when they think no one is watching. The ones who could care less about supporting their colleagues. </p>
<p>Certainly&#8230; you have seen that person in your career. Their is usually 1 &#8211; 5 in each building. </p>
<p>1 X 1500 schools would give you 1500 Unsatisfactory ratings. Finally people are doing their job. </p>
<p>However, it is a sad story about the U in someone&#8217;s 32nd year. It is sad to hear the U rating given out as punishment. I am sorry to say&#8230; I have seen that as well. </p>
<p>None of this would change under any administration. I think if we had message boards going back 50 years we would see the same type of posts. </p>
<p>I have come to the conclusion that this is simply the way it is always going to be. Unfortunately/fortunately it differs from school to school. Some schools get it&#8230; well run schools are partnerships between every member of the school community. Administrators don&#8217;t play &#8220;gotcha&#8221; and teachers understand that being a professional means growing. So when you introduce something like ARIS at a PD, they see the value and not sit back and gripe. </p>
<p>The education scientist stands up and starts singing at this point&#8230; </p>
<p>We are the world<br />
We are the children<br />
We are the ones who make a brighter day<br />
So let&#8217;s start giving<br />
There&#8217;s a choice we&#8217;re making<br />
We&#8217;re saving our own lives<br />
It&#8217;s true we&#8217;ll make a better day<br />
Just you and me</p>
<p>Send them your heart<br />
So they&#8217;ll know that someone cares<br />
And their lives will be stronger and free<br />
As God has shown us by turning stone to bread<br />
So we all must lend a helping hand</p>
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		<title>By: Norm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 18:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;No organization is an all star team top to bottom..&quot;

General Motors?
Bear Sterns?
The NY State legislature?
The Bush White House?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;No organization is an all star team top to bottom..&#8221;</p>
<p>General Motors?<br />
Bear Sterns?<br />
The NY State legislature?<br />
The Bush White House?</p>
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		<title>By: Insider Knowledge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Insider Knowledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 18:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dissenter why is that number so hard for you to believe?  Would you be happy if 50% were U rated?  Why do you have a blood lust for teachers.. What do you do for a living?  How many people in your line of work are unsaisfactory. From my own perosnal experience in both the private and public sector there are about 5-6 people in any given building that really need to go.. You&#039;re going to complain about a mediocre teacher?  Thats life pal in everything.. No organization is an all star team top to bottom..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dissenter why is that number so hard for you to believe?  Would you be happy if 50% were U rated?  Why do you have a blood lust for teachers.. What do you do for a living?  How many people in your line of work are unsaisfactory. From my own perosnal experience in both the private and public sector there are about 5-6 people in any given building that really need to go.. You&#8217;re going to complain about a mediocre teacher?  Thats life pal in everything.. No organization is an all star team top to bottom..</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. A. Talk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. A. Talk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one wants incompetent teachers out of the NYC public schools more than competent teachers do. They bring down the tone of the whole school and make teaching tougher for the rest of us.

Edu-scientist (whatever the hell that means)--do you really have any idea what goes on inside a classroom? Do you really think it&#039;s possible for a teacher to just sit there, feet upon the desk, reading a newspaper, while the students dutifully work? Any such teacher, if they existed, would have a riot on their hands within a matter of hours. I&#039;ve seen a few subs try this, but they didn&#039;t last more than a day and were never asked back. I have never--NEVER--seen an experienced teacher do what you&#039;re claiming.

So instead of engaging in histrionics, let&#039;s look at the reality. Most teachers are pretty damn good. Some are mediocre. A few are hopeless. The hopeless ones should have been fired before they achieved tenure. The mediocre ones should be helped. And the pretty damn good ones should be given the latitude to do their jobs properly without the interference of a bunch of non-teacher bureaucrats who think they understand education because it seemed pretty easy to them back when they were in prep school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one wants incompetent teachers out of the NYC public schools more than competent teachers do. They bring down the tone of the whole school and make teaching tougher for the rest of us.</p>
<p>Edu-scientist (whatever the hell that means)&#8211;do you really have any idea what goes on inside a classroom? Do you really think it&#8217;s possible for a teacher to just sit there, feet upon the desk, reading a newspaper, while the students dutifully work? Any such teacher, if they existed, would have a riot on their hands within a matter of hours. I&#8217;ve seen a few subs try this, but they didn&#8217;t last more than a day and were never asked back. I have never&#8211;NEVER&#8211;seen an experienced teacher do what you&#8217;re claiming.</p>
<p>So instead of engaging in histrionics, let&#8217;s look at the reality. Most teachers are pretty damn good. Some are mediocre. A few are hopeless. The hopeless ones should have been fired before they achieved tenure. The mediocre ones should be helped. And the pretty damn good ones should be given the latitude to do their jobs properly without the interference of a bunch of non-teacher bureaucrats who think they understand education because it seemed pretty easy to them back when they were in prep school.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally witnessed a new principal playing favorites.  Teachers who were from the same minority group as the new principal  were given a free pass, and one first year teacher from that group got an &quot;S&quot; without one single observation!  (She was young and pretty and the principal was weak in this regard.)  White teachers were kept at arm&#039;s length and harassed.  The Asian teachers - omg - this principal had something against Asians because he was ripping on them all the time.  One Indian teacher had 26 formal observations (all surprise) by this guy who wanted to harass him out of there.   This new principal was an obvious affirmative action promotion.  (He boasted how he was in a gang as a kid.)  He had been a special ed teacher for 3 years in resource rooms, and lo and behold, is a minted graduate of the principal&#039;s academy.  I mean, this guy would OFTEN trip on words that were more than two syllables long, and he knew very little about teaching and best practices.  (He replaced another principal, who was a social justice type, who was fired because of incompetence.)  All this talk of &quot;more &quot;U&quot; ratings, Hooray!&quot;  just makes me think of how many principals are incompetent at leadership, full of corruption and human failings, yet who have their jobs because of twisted notions of &#039;diversity is more important than ability.&#039;  I wonder when we will lower the bar for doctor licenses, airline pilots, firefighters - oh wait, it&#039;s already being done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally witnessed a new principal playing favorites.  Teachers who were from the same minority group as the new principal  were given a free pass, and one first year teacher from that group got an &#8220;S&#8221; without one single observation!  (She was young and pretty and the principal was weak in this regard.)  White teachers were kept at arm&#8217;s length and harassed.  The Asian teachers &#8211; omg &#8211; this principal had something against Asians because he was ripping on them all the time.  One Indian teacher had 26 formal observations (all surprise) by this guy who wanted to harass him out of there.   This new principal was an obvious affirmative action promotion.  (He boasted how he was in a gang as a kid.)  He had been a special ed teacher for 3 years in resource rooms, and lo and behold, is a minted graduate of the principal&#8217;s academy.  I mean, this guy would OFTEN trip on words that were more than two syllables long, and he knew very little about teaching and best practices.  (He replaced another principal, who was a social justice type, who was fired because of incompetence.)  All this talk of &#8220;more &#8220;U&#8221; ratings, Hooray!&#8221;  just makes me think of how many principals are incompetent at leadership, full of corruption and human failings, yet who have their jobs because of twisted notions of &#8216;diversity is more important than ability.&#8217;  I wonder when we will lower the bar for doctor licenses, airline pilots, firefighters &#8211; oh wait, it&#8217;s already being done.</p>
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