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	<title>Comments on: Fernandez: More city grads lacked basic skills under Bloomberg</title>
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		<title>By: Javier Perez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Javier Perez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 14:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Howdy
Thanks for the welcome Insider Knowledge. I’m not sure if she’s from Bloomberg’s circle or not. But she’s in the neighbourhood. That’s for sure. She arrived at Hostos via Badillo and Guiliani. How she got herself in through Diaz Junior is beyond me, Of course there has to be more to it and I aim to find out. 

Be careful! Her method emphasizes appearances over substance. I still remember when she arrived at Hostos with her “team” They descended like vultures upon a scared and intimidated workforce. You’ll remember that the tabloids had vilified Hostos for months and the newcomers could smell blood. They brought with them the notion that government service was garbage and the private sector was the ideal that public employees should model themselves on. It didn’t matter that most of them were either private sector failures or thoroughly untested in that utopian work environment they so wanted to emulate! They arrived with a lot of talk of results oriented approaches, customer driven environments, excellence models, performance and professionalism. In reality the only thing they excelled at was creating the image of results rather than the real thing. It was really very simple to do. They bullied, intimidated and sometimes fired vulnerable faculty and staff while cajoling or buying up powerful academics and student leaders. This had the effect of keeping complaints down while this piece of garbage Fernandez basked in the light of that facade she had created.  She really managed to turn Hostos into a perfectly run whorehouse. And for that she deserves a stifling punishment. 

The corrupted environment she created made it possible for employee abuse to become rampant without it being noticed much. In order to create a provost position, new VP slots and other high bucks executive jobs for her buddies without busting the budget, this low life fired dozens of low paid college assistants and other provisional employees. As a result remaining salaried workers were often expected to be on call 24 hours a day. Employees, particularly the lower ranking were often expected to work way above their pay grade. I recall the case of a woman whose name I don’t remember but whose story I remember well. She worked as a college assistant for a guy named Nixon in some office. The guy told her point blank that he didn’t know how to do the job and would be relying on her to do it for him. Like a good employee she said OK and gave it her best shot. For some time she functioned as the de facto manager for about 9 bucks an hour while this guy played billiards. In the end they weren’t entirely happy with the job “HE” was doing so he turned around and fired her. She complained, but as a college assistant she had virtually no rights. This is just one of the atrocities that occurred on Fernandez’ watch. 

There was a guy who ran the IT office whose hobby seemed to be, verbally abusing women. He really didn’t like the idea of women having anything to say and it bothered him when they did. One time, he so insulted a lady by the name of Maria that she was absolutely incensed. I believe he had her transferred out of the IT department or maybe she asked for the transfer. I’m not sure what happened but verbally abusing a woman in the workplace would normally have been a serious issue, particularly in a school like Hostos where women are said to be a very powerful group. Unfortunately, in the rubber stamp environment Fernandez created, not only could this sort of thing happen, but the aggressor could get away unscathed and remain in his position. But what really steams me about this is that they fired a perfectly competent IT manager, so they could give his job away to this abusive piece of garbage. He won his grievance, but did so posthumously. After leaving Hostos, he went to work at the Metropolitan Transit Council in the World Trade Center and went down with the building. He would be alive today if it wasn’t for this animal and her friends. 

Then there’s what happened to me. It’s a story in itself. It involves the corruption of the faculty, the presence of do nothing coworkers, negative evaluations given to me by a no show supervisor, evaluation on jobs normally assigned only to senior lab techs, threats and retaliation by another lab tech and her idiotic son. There was a supervisor who liked to hire dainty cutesy childlike women whom he treated like his grandchildren. There’s a tenured lab tech who had maneuvered herself into a position where she could not be asked to do any sort of work because she was either not trained for it or because it somehow didn’t fall into her idea of her job description or because she was handicapped. 
And there’s lot’s more.

Then there’s the union side of the thing. On that end there’s a union boss by the name of Barbara Bowen who couldn’t think of anything better to do than hire a convicted felon as the union’s lead attorney! The guy had been convicted of giving false information to a court officer in the Ron Carey corruption scandal. He managed to finish wrecking my case by giving it as much attention as you might give to a parking violation. But of course with his criminal past, I can only wonder if there was something more to my loss. Bowen never did answer me when I demanded that she explain why she had hired him. And there’s more.

What really surprises me is how after all this trying I’ve been unable to get anyone in the city government to conduct an investigation of my allegations. At the DOI, a woman by the name of Wright referred the matter back to CUNY! The state investigative office didn’t even respond. Why is it that no one seems to be interested in looking into what happened to me at Hostos? I am more convinced than ever that there is corruption to be found in all this.

But this is far bigger than me. I’d like to see an authoritative probe into employee abuse at Hostos during the time of Dolores Fernandez. If you know where I might be able to get that probe please let me know. I think it’s very important. This Fernandez is an up and coming sort and could go very far and do a lot of damage if she isn’t stopped. Can you imagine this person wound up running our public schools or CUNY or advising Obama on education! Remember, people like Fernandez arrive at their positions through political connections, not competence. 

Regards 

Javier</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Howdy<br />
Thanks for the welcome Insider Knowledge. I’m not sure if she’s from Bloomberg’s circle or not. But she’s in the neighbourhood. That’s for sure. She arrived at Hostos via Badillo and Guiliani. How she got herself in through Diaz Junior is beyond me, Of course there has to be more to it and I aim to find out. </p>
<p>Be careful! Her method emphasizes appearances over substance. I still remember when she arrived at Hostos with her “team” They descended like vultures upon a scared and intimidated workforce. You’ll remember that the tabloids had vilified Hostos for months and the newcomers could smell blood. They brought with them the notion that government service was garbage and the private sector was the ideal that public employees should model themselves on. It didn’t matter that most of them were either private sector failures or thoroughly untested in that utopian work environment they so wanted to emulate! They arrived with a lot of talk of results oriented approaches, customer driven environments, excellence models, performance and professionalism. In reality the only thing they excelled at was creating the image of results rather than the real thing. It was really very simple to do. They bullied, intimidated and sometimes fired vulnerable faculty and staff while cajoling or buying up powerful academics and student leaders. This had the effect of keeping complaints down while this piece of garbage Fernandez basked in the light of that facade she had created.  She really managed to turn Hostos into a perfectly run whorehouse. And for that she deserves a stifling punishment. </p>
<p>The corrupted environment she created made it possible for employee abuse to become rampant without it being noticed much. In order to create a provost position, new VP slots and other high bucks executive jobs for her buddies without busting the budget, this low life fired dozens of low paid college assistants and other provisional employees. As a result remaining salaried workers were often expected to be on call 24 hours a day. Employees, particularly the lower ranking were often expected to work way above their pay grade. I recall the case of a woman whose name I don’t remember but whose story I remember well. She worked as a college assistant for a guy named Nixon in some office. The guy told her point blank that he didn’t know how to do the job and would be relying on her to do it for him. Like a good employee she said OK and gave it her best shot. For some time she functioned as the de facto manager for about 9 bucks an hour while this guy played billiards. In the end they weren’t entirely happy with the job “HE” was doing so he turned around and fired her. She complained, but as a college assistant she had virtually no rights. This is just one of the atrocities that occurred on Fernandez’ watch. </p>
<p>There was a guy who ran the IT office whose hobby seemed to be, verbally abusing women. He really didn’t like the idea of women having anything to say and it bothered him when they did. One time, he so insulted a lady by the name of Maria that she was absolutely incensed. I believe he had her transferred out of the IT department or maybe she asked for the transfer. I’m not sure what happened but verbally abusing a woman in the workplace would normally have been a serious issue, particularly in a school like Hostos where women are said to be a very powerful group. Unfortunately, in the rubber stamp environment Fernandez created, not only could this sort of thing happen, but the aggressor could get away unscathed and remain in his position. But what really steams me about this is that they fired a perfectly competent IT manager, so they could give his job away to this abusive piece of garbage. He won his grievance, but did so posthumously. After leaving Hostos, he went to work at the Metropolitan Transit Council in the World Trade Center and went down with the building. He would be alive today if it wasn’t for this animal and her friends. </p>
<p>Then there’s what happened to me. It’s a story in itself. It involves the corruption of the faculty, the presence of do nothing coworkers, negative evaluations given to me by a no show supervisor, evaluation on jobs normally assigned only to senior lab techs, threats and retaliation by another lab tech and her idiotic son. There was a supervisor who liked to hire dainty cutesy childlike women whom he treated like his grandchildren. There’s a tenured lab tech who had maneuvered herself into a position where she could not be asked to do any sort of work because she was either not trained for it or because it somehow didn’t fall into her idea of her job description or because she was handicapped.<br />
And there’s lot’s more.</p>
<p>Then there’s the union side of the thing. On that end there’s a union boss by the name of Barbara Bowen who couldn’t think of anything better to do than hire a convicted felon as the union’s lead attorney! The guy had been convicted of giving false information to a court officer in the Ron Carey corruption scandal. He managed to finish wrecking my case by giving it as much attention as you might give to a parking violation. But of course with his criminal past, I can only wonder if there was something more to my loss. Bowen never did answer me when I demanded that she explain why she had hired him. And there’s more.</p>
<p>What really surprises me is how after all this trying I’ve been unable to get anyone in the city government to conduct an investigation of my allegations. At the DOI, a woman by the name of Wright referred the matter back to CUNY! The state investigative office didn’t even respond. Why is it that no one seems to be interested in looking into what happened to me at Hostos? I am more convinced than ever that there is corruption to be found in all this.</p>
<p>But this is far bigger than me. I’d like to see an authoritative probe into employee abuse at Hostos during the time of Dolores Fernandez. If you know where I might be able to get that probe please let me know. I think it’s very important. This Fernandez is an up and coming sort and could go very far and do a lot of damage if she isn’t stopped. Can you imagine this person wound up running our public schools or CUNY or advising Obama on education! Remember, people like Fernandez arrive at their positions through political connections, not competence. </p>
<p>Regards </p>
<p>Javier</p>
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		<title>By: Frustrated Sub</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am amazed at the entire system. I witnessed a 4th grader get promoted that scored a 1 on both state tests. The reason was because he is a big boy and was already held over once before. The decision was to put him in summer school where the tests will be administered again. What I did learn is that everyone passes the tests from summer school. I am not sure if they are so dummied down or if hints are given. Which ever it is how fair is that to a 4th grader that is reading on a 1st grade level? What is the lesson here for the other students? We are producing a society of dummys, we need to teach and they need to learn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am amazed at the entire system. I witnessed a 4th grader get promoted that scored a 1 on both state tests. The reason was because he is a big boy and was already held over once before. The decision was to put him in summer school where the tests will be administered again. What I did learn is that everyone passes the tests from summer school. I am not sure if they are so dummied down or if hints are given. Which ever it is how fair is that to a 4th grader that is reading on a 1st grade level? What is the lesson here for the other students? We are producing a society of dummys, we need to teach and they need to learn.</p>
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		<title>By: Insider Knowledge</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2009/07/16/fernandez-more-city-grads-lacked-basic-skills-under-bloomberg/comment-page-1/#comment-155818</link>
		<dc:creator>Insider Knowledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to have you aboard Javier.. Seems like she is just like bloomberg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to have you aboard Javier.. Seems like she is just like bloomberg.</p>
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		<title>By: Javier Perez</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2009/07/16/fernandez-more-city-grads-lacked-basic-skills-under-bloomberg/comment-page-1/#comment-155553</link>
		<dc:creator>Javier Perez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 10:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow!

So, Dolores Fernandez is going to raise standards in our public schools!
Why don&#039;t you ask this political groupie why she covered up years worth of the harassment and retaliation that I was subjected to while working at the Academic Computing Center at Hostos Community College. What is she going to do to improve things in our public schools?  Will she model her actions on her experiments at Hostos? Will she allow her “team” to buy up and pay off the student leadership with jobs they don’t deserve in order to keep them quiet?  Is she going to allow no-show supervisors to evaluate the performance of employees they’ve never seen work? Will she allow job secure employees to sit around doing nothing while others are forced to do their work as she did in the open lab of the Academic Computing Center? Will she allow some perk privileged employees to work hours when the facilities are closed like she did with one of one of my coworkers? Will she fire as many low ranking employees as she can so she can put more of her useless buddies on the payroll with executive salaries like she did everywhere at Hostos? Is she going to craft an image of excellence that is supported on a foundation of mediocrity and corruption as she did with Hostos? While you&#039;re asking her all that you can tell this parasite that I will be up her ass for the rest of her life.   I am a former labtech at the Academic Computing Center at Hostos Communitry College and a victim of corruption at Hostos. I will not rest while embodiments of corruption like Dolores Fernandez continue to fly high at the expense of the tax payers and the students they claim to serve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!</p>
<p>So, Dolores Fernandez is going to raise standards in our public schools!<br />
Why don&#8217;t you ask this political groupie why she covered up years worth of the harassment and retaliation that I was subjected to while working at the Academic Computing Center at Hostos Community College. What is she going to do to improve things in our public schools?  Will she model her actions on her experiments at Hostos? Will she allow her “team” to buy up and pay off the student leadership with jobs they don’t deserve in order to keep them quiet?  Is she going to allow no-show supervisors to evaluate the performance of employees they’ve never seen work? Will she allow job secure employees to sit around doing nothing while others are forced to do their work as she did in the open lab of the Academic Computing Center? Will she allow some perk privileged employees to work hours when the facilities are closed like she did with one of one of my coworkers? Will she fire as many low ranking employees as she can so she can put more of her useless buddies on the payroll with executive salaries like she did everywhere at Hostos? Is she going to craft an image of excellence that is supported on a foundation of mediocrity and corruption as she did with Hostos? While you&#8217;re asking her all that you can tell this parasite that I will be up her ass for the rest of her life.   I am a former labtech at the Academic Computing Center at Hostos Communitry College and a victim of corruption at Hostos. I will not rest while embodiments of corruption like Dolores Fernandez continue to fly high at the expense of the tax payers and the students they claim to serve.</p>
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		<title>By: Insider Knowledge</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2009/07/16/fernandez-more-city-grads-lacked-basic-skills-under-bloomberg/comment-page-1/#comment-153884</link>
		<dc:creator>Insider Knowledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the problem with this yern for accountability.  That term means only one thing.. whose to blame.. Is that whats important here?  Thats what we&#039;re debating?  Who wants to take blame? WHo can we point the finger to? Its nice if someone is willing to fall on the sword but honestly since when has taking ownership of a disaster solved the problem.. It doesn&#039;t  its the honorable thing to do.. But that doesn&#039;t mean the disaster itself gets fixed.. Truth is its a lot deeper then a mayor, a union, an admin or a socio economic group.. We should be working to solve the problems together instead of debating whose head should be on the chopping block.  If we all have th best interests of the students at heart then we should realize that we are all equal shareholders in the success of the school system. The mayor as the executive should be there finding ways to fund this, the admins should be working with the teachers to collaborate ways in which to overcome the hardships they are seeing on the front lines in the classroom and the neighborhoods should be asking what they can do to help the schools. Its not about making ones self look better through countless data reports and stats on regents scores.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the problem with this yern for accountability.  That term means only one thing.. whose to blame.. Is that whats important here?  Thats what we&#8217;re debating?  Who wants to take blame? WHo can we point the finger to? Its nice if someone is willing to fall on the sword but honestly since when has taking ownership of a disaster solved the problem.. It doesn&#8217;t  its the honorable thing to do.. But that doesn&#8217;t mean the disaster itself gets fixed.. Truth is its a lot deeper then a mayor, a union, an admin or a socio economic group.. We should be working to solve the problems together instead of debating whose head should be on the chopping block.  If we all have th best interests of the students at heart then we should realize that we are all equal shareholders in the success of the school system. The mayor as the executive should be there finding ways to fund this, the admins should be working with the teachers to collaborate ways in which to overcome the hardships they are seeing on the front lines in the classroom and the neighborhoods should be asking what they can do to help the schools. Its not about making ones self look better through countless data reports and stats on regents scores.</p>
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		<title>By: edu_scientist</title>
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		<dc:creator>edu_scientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Question at this point is... ( or with group effort let&#039;s create a list of questions) 

Who do we really want to hold accountable for our schools? 

Would the credit recovery issue be any different under any other administration/structure? 

*** note - I know all too well the pressures of the Progress Report and making sure students are earning the 10 credits or more a year. 

I don&#039;t have time for the really long post I am contemplating on the delicate balance of credit accumulation and not making the educational process a sham. 

* need to stop here... but more will come later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question at this point is&#8230; ( or with group effort let&#8217;s create a list of questions) </p>
<p>Who do we really want to hold accountable for our schools? </p>
<p>Would the credit recovery issue be any different under any other administration/structure? </p>
<p>*** note &#8211; I know all too well the pressures of the Progress Report and making sure students are earning the 10 credits or more a year. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have time for the really long post I am contemplating on the delicate balance of credit accumulation and not making the educational process a sham. </p>
<p>* need to stop here&#8230; but more will come later.</p>
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		<title>By: Pogue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pogue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>socrates, sorry, I mean edu-scientist..There is a lot of underhanded stuff going on through Bloomberg/Klein/nervous principals&#039; credit policies.  The sad part is that the politicians are aware of it and the media is aware of it, but do nothing about it.  Currently, fair and honest education is suffering from a corruption that is hidden by a wealthy PR monster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>socrates, sorry, I mean edu-scientist..There is a lot of underhanded stuff going on through Bloomberg/Klein/nervous principals&#8217; credit policies.  The sad part is that the politicians are aware of it and the media is aware of it, but do nothing about it.  Currently, fair and honest education is suffering from a corruption that is hidden by a wealthy PR monster.</p>
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		<title>By: edu_scientist</title>
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		<dc:creator>edu_scientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 05:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so what school are you at? phasing our a school that wasn&#039;t failing? would love to look at the data. I would also love to see your scholarship report. :S

for the record:
To be termed scientific, a method of inquiry must be based on gathering observable, empirical and measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning.[1] A scientific method consists of the collection of data through observation and experimentation, and the formulation and testing of hypotheses.[2] -wikipedia

I like this one too: http://www.sciencebuddies.org/science-fair-projects/project_scientific_method.shtml</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so what school are you at? phasing our a school that wasn&#8217;t failing? would love to look at the data. I would also love to see your scholarship report. :S</p>
<p>for the record:<br />
To be termed scientific, a method of inquiry must be based on gathering observable, empirical and measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning.[1] A scientific method consists of the collection of data through observation and experimentation, and the formulation and testing of hypotheses.[2] -wikipedia</p>
<p>I like this one too: <a href="http://www.sciencebuddies.org/science-fair-projects/project_scientific_method.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciencebuddies.org/science-fair-projects/project_scientific_method.shtml</a></p>
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		<title>By: Insider Knowledge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Insider Knowledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 04:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will not defend crooked practices by anyone. I won’t say that it doesn’t happen, but I am sure the stories that are told are exactly that - fictional stories
                                                         Geez man if your on vacation I want what your smoking.. Why would we make this crap up?  Oh wait I forgot we&#039;re teachers so we&#039;re here defending the contract. These are not fictional stories this stuff happens.. open your eyes.. I suppose you believe the magic bullet theory too.. And thats another thing.. Every time I hear a gripe about the teachers union they always mention the onerous contract.. Well why don&#039;t you review it.. tell me the parts you have a problem with.. please lets see where this contract is holding these kids back.. You won&#039;t though.. You&#039;ll just keep bringing up the same tired arguments that you read in the post.  Pathetic is all I can say</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will not defend crooked practices by anyone. I won’t say that it doesn’t happen, but I am sure the stories that are told are exactly that &#8211; fictional stories<br />
                                                         Geez man if your on vacation I want what your smoking.. Why would we make this crap up?  Oh wait I forgot we&#8217;re teachers so we&#8217;re here defending the contract. These are not fictional stories this stuff happens.. open your eyes.. I suppose you believe the magic bullet theory too.. And thats another thing.. Every time I hear a gripe about the teachers union they always mention the onerous contract.. Well why don&#8217;t you review it.. tell me the parts you have a problem with.. please lets see where this contract is holding these kids back.. You won&#8217;t though.. You&#8217;ll just keep bringing up the same tired arguments that you read in the post.  Pathetic is all I can say</p>
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		<title>By: Insider Knowledge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Insider Knowledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 04:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>edu-scientist-- firt change your name because any scientist wouldn&#039;t be making statements like you without first making an observation.. whats that like the 3rd step in the scientific method? SECOND -WOULD GET OFF THE BLAME  TEACHERS EVERYTIME SOMETHING GOES WRONG WAGON? Since the school is being phased out that means that it was struggling to begin with and that means it attracted your favorite types of teachers.. the precious darling TFA and NYC teaching fellows.. So I guess they are the &quot;unwilling teachers you are refering to&quot;  Myself and everyother teacher under 40 in that school gave their blood sweat and tears to that place only to be micromanaged to death but nit wit autocrat admins on a power trip.. You think I want to be excessed? How dare you  make that statement.. Your buddy bloomberg created the situation where i get paid to sub because he would rather black ball anyone that got excessed then place them in positions where they are needed.  and I&#039;ll cut ou off at the pass with your unqualified to teach crap because I know thats your next thought.. Your darling TFA&#039;s get excessed too it has nothing to do with your ability to teach.. Most are satisfactory rated teachers who are in there through no fault of their own.  You and people like you should walk around and observe a school like the one I came from for a month and then you can tell me what you think.. But please spare me your arm chair quaterback bs because I doubt you know the first thing about education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>edu-scientist&#8211; firt change your name because any scientist wouldn&#8217;t be making statements like you without first making an observation.. whats that like the 3rd step in the scientific method? SECOND -WOULD GET OFF THE BLAME  TEACHERS EVERYTIME SOMETHING GOES WRONG WAGON? Since the school is being phased out that means that it was struggling to begin with and that means it attracted your favorite types of teachers.. the precious darling TFA and NYC teaching fellows.. So I guess they are the &#8220;unwilling teachers you are refering to&#8221;  Myself and everyother teacher under 40 in that school gave their blood sweat and tears to that place only to be micromanaged to death but nit wit autocrat admins on a power trip.. You think I want to be excessed? How dare you  make that statement.. Your buddy bloomberg created the situation where i get paid to sub because he would rather black ball anyone that got excessed then place them in positions where they are needed.  and I&#8217;ll cut ou off at the pass with your unqualified to teach crap because I know thats your next thought.. Your darling TFA&#8217;s get excessed too it has nothing to do with your ability to teach.. Most are satisfactory rated teachers who are in there through no fault of their own.  You and people like you should walk around and observe a school like the one I came from for a month and then you can tell me what you think.. But please spare me your arm chair quaterback bs because I doubt you know the first thing about education.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 03:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sodeskune, I&#039;ve seen the same type of stuff, reported it, had it investigated, and was told that principals have a lot of lattitude when it comes to grade fixing and that it was very difficult to get school employees to talk.  Be very careful about being a whistle blower.  In fact, I suggest you send the information to eduscientist, or someone else with faith in Klein&#039;s integrity, and have him or her report it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sodeskune, I&#8217;ve seen the same type of stuff, reported it, had it investigated, and was told that principals have a lot of lattitude when it comes to grade fixing and that it was very difficult to get school employees to talk.  Be very careful about being a whistle blower.  In fact, I suggest you send the information to eduscientist, or someone else with faith in Klein&#8217;s integrity, and have him or her report it.</p>
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		<title>By: edu_scientist</title>
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		<dc:creator>edu_scientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 02:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>again my point exactly... if not Bronx Aerospace than one of the other schools. But based on the data, it seems that Bronx Aerospace can be easily remedied with complete buy in from the school community. Unless there is an issue with leadership which seems to be indicated in the data and hopefully someone will do something. 

Hostos CC has doubled because the enrollment has grown. And the kids not graduating previously would never have graduated. They simply would have dropped out and no one would have been held accountable. You either made it or oh well, you&#039;re another dropout who&#039;s counting anyway. Certainly not the school board on a trip to the Dominican Republic on public funds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>again my point exactly&#8230; if not Bronx Aerospace than one of the other schools. But based on the data, it seems that Bronx Aerospace can be easily remedied with complete buy in from the school community. Unless there is an issue with leadership which seems to be indicated in the data and hopefully someone will do something. </p>
<p>Hostos CC has doubled because the enrollment has grown. And the kids not graduating previously would never have graduated. They simply would have dropped out and no one would have been held accountable. You either made it or oh well, you&#8217;re another dropout who&#8217;s counting anyway. Certainly not the school board on a trip to the Dominican Republic on public funds.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 02:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;d send your kid to Aerospace? End of that conversation.

Back to Mr. Jacobs&#039; comment:

She doesn&#039;t say a higher proportion need remediation. She says the size of Hostos CC&#039;s remedial program has doubled.

What I&#039;m implying, and I&#039;m probably right, is the kids who are barely graduating today would not have graduated previously. But when principals are encouraged to hand out credits, when small schools get squeezed on numbers AND grade their own regents, without fear of audit...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;d send your kid to Aerospace? End of that conversation.</p>
<p>Back to Mr. Jacobs&#8217; comment:</p>
<p>She doesn&#8217;t say a higher proportion need remediation. She says the size of Hostos CC&#8217;s remedial program has doubled.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m implying, and I&#8217;m probably right, is the kids who are barely graduating today would not have graduated previously. But when principals are encouraged to hand out credits, when small schools get squeezed on numbers AND grade their own regents, without fear of audit&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: edu_scientist</title>
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		<dc:creator>edu_scientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 01:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will not defend crooked practices by anyone. I won&#039;t say that it doesn&#039;t happen, but I am sure the stories that are told are exactly that - fictional stories. I am sorry that you are in a phase out school. Probably a poorly run school in which no real support was given to anyone. But rather than stay and try to save the school and run into all kinds of interference by unwilling teachers, it&#039;s easier to close the school down and start again. Unfortunately. 

Excessed teachers will still be receiving a pay check and all the benefits come September. I am sure some people are are actually happy they can act like per diem sumbs making 100K a year. 

1) Mayoral Control is a structural concept. It’s bigger than Bloomberg the individual. 
 - Exactly! That&#039;s my point. Forget that it is Bloomberg and picture let&#039;s say Thompson&#039;s face there. Yikes!!!! 

Now, I do know the Bronx intimately. Graduated from Bronx schools. What I rather send my kid to the old Evander or one of the new small schools. &lt;- No Brainer. 

Would I want to send my kid to the old Stevenson or one of the new small schools. &lt;- No Brainer.

Would I want to send my kid to the old Kennedy. Or one of the new small schools... etc. etc. etc. 

Anyone who argues that any of those old schools worked is out of their minds. They simply did not work for students. What has replaced them does. 

I don&#039;t know the stats of principals who never taught so I can&#039;t dispute that, but again the number is A LOT smaller than what people think it is I am sure. 

Granted I have not backed up anything I am saying with hard data... I am on vacation and don&#039;t really want to commit the time to, however neither did Dr. Fernandez. What she did do is talk without facts for the mere purpose of self promotion. Clearly that was obvious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will not defend crooked practices by anyone. I won&#8217;t say that it doesn&#8217;t happen, but I am sure the stories that are told are exactly that &#8211; fictional stories. I am sorry that you are in a phase out school. Probably a poorly run school in which no real support was given to anyone. But rather than stay and try to save the school and run into all kinds of interference by unwilling teachers, it&#8217;s easier to close the school down and start again. Unfortunately. </p>
<p>Excessed teachers will still be receiving a pay check and all the benefits come September. I am sure some people are are actually happy they can act like per diem sumbs making 100K a year. </p>
<p>1) Mayoral Control is a structural concept. It’s bigger than Bloomberg the individual.<br />
 &#8211; Exactly! That&#8217;s my point. Forget that it is Bloomberg and picture let&#8217;s say Thompson&#8217;s face there. Yikes!!!! </p>
<p>Now, I do know the Bronx intimately. Graduated from Bronx schools. What I rather send my kid to the old Evander or one of the new small schools. &lt;- No Brainer. </p>
<p>Would I want to send my kid to the old Stevenson or one of the new small schools. &lt;- No Brainer.</p>
<p>Would I want to send my kid to the old Kennedy. Or one of the new small schools&#8230; etc. etc. etc. </p>
<p>Anyone who argues that any of those old schools worked is out of their minds. They simply did not work for students. What has replaced them does. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know the stats of principals who never taught so I can&#8217;t dispute that, but again the number is A LOT smaller than what people think it is I am sure. </p>
<p>Granted I have not backed up anything I am saying with hard data&#8230; I am on vacation and don&#8217;t really want to commit the time to, however neither did Dr. Fernandez. What she did do is talk without facts for the mere purpose of self promotion. Clearly that was obvious.</p>
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		<title>By: sodeskune</title>
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		<dc:creator>sodeskune</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 01:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sodeskune : what you are talking about is simply ridiculous. If it is true, which I doubt, either your principal has no soul or the teachers in your building have no spine. Call 311 and report it.

Edu_scientist, you&#039;re kidding, right?   You must be a Teach-for-America recruit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sodeskune : what you are talking about is simply ridiculous. If it is true, which I doubt, either your principal has no soul or the teachers in your building have no spine. Call 311 and report it.</p>
<p>Edu_scientist, you&#8217;re kidding, right?   You must be a Teach-for-America recruit.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 01:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re term limits:
1) Mayoral Control is a structural concept.  It&#039;s bigger than Bloomberg the individual.
2)  Even the President doesn&#039;t get 12 years.
3) Giuliani didn&#039;t overturn term limits in 2001, but suddenly we can&#039;t survive a transition?

4) By the &quot;full cohort&quot; logic, heck, let&#039;s make it FOUR terms.  After all, not all students Bloomberg and Klein count as graduates graduate on time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re term limits:<br />
1) Mayoral Control is a structural concept.  It&#8217;s bigger than Bloomberg the individual.<br />
2)  Even the President doesn&#8217;t get 12 years.<br />
3) Giuliani didn&#8217;t overturn term limits in 2001, but suddenly we can&#8217;t survive a transition?</p>
<p>4) By the &#8220;full cohort&#8221; logic, heck, let&#8217;s make it FOUR terms.  After all, not all students Bloomberg and Klein count as graduates graduate on time.</p>
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		<title>By: Insider Knowledge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Insider Knowledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 00:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We all know that there are administrators that give the word administration a bad name, however in today’s educational climate they are becoming scarce. Because if they don’t perform, they don’t last in the system.&quot; 
































really edu-scientist?

Thats news to  me.. My school is being phased out and while I got excessed because of seniority all the administrators are staying and I&#039;ve detailed before some of the garbage these so called saviors have pulled. i.e observing someone the day he was giving a test for his tenure observation..
So you let me know how a principal shouldn&#039;t be fired immediatly if a school is targeted for phase out.. there&#039;s some accountability for you to stick in your pipe and smoke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We all know that there are administrators that give the word administration a bad name, however in today’s educational climate they are becoming scarce. Because if they don’t perform, they don’t last in the system.&#8221; </p>
<p>really edu-scientist?</p>
<p>Thats news to  me.. My school is being phased out and while I got excessed because of seniority all the administrators are staying and I&#8217;ve detailed before some of the garbage these so called saviors have pulled. i.e observing someone the day he was giving a test for his tenure observation..<br />
So you let me know how a principal shouldn&#8217;t be fired immediatly if a school is targeted for phase out.. there&#8217;s some accountability for you to stick in your pipe and smoke.</p>
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		<title>By: Insider Knowledge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Insider Knowledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 00:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A kid from this year&#039;s senior class graduated even though I know for a fact he failed US history &quot;for the 3rd time&quot; because he never showed up.. The teacher failed him and yet when I got the list of seniors that graduated there he was.. The AP had the gaul to act like it was the kid that pulled through like I didn&#039;t know what really happened. They changed his grade without the teacher&#039;s permision. In all this rush for data and so called accountability just like in the vaunted private sector we have inherited the same demons.. We cook our books like they were cooking theirs.. You think we would have learned something from the economic crisis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A kid from this year&#8217;s senior class graduated even though I know for a fact he failed US history &#8220;for the 3rd time&#8221; because he never showed up.. The teacher failed him and yet when I got the list of seniors that graduated there he was.. The AP had the gaul to act like it was the kid that pulled through like I didn&#8217;t know what really happened. They changed his grade without the teacher&#8217;s permision. In all this rush for data and so called accountability just like in the vaunted private sector we have inherited the same demons.. We cook our books like they were cooking theirs.. You think we would have learned something from the economic crisis.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 00:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Although the current system is far from perfect, it is miles for the corrupt, cronyism system that existed under the ol’ BOE. Principalships were not given to the most qualified individuals but to those who spent their years brown nosing and kissing up to the powers that be. At least today, dynamic leaders are given an opportunity to lead and many are doing a phenomenal job.&quot;

And you claim to know your way around the Bronx? We are saddled with incompetent, inexperienced, arbitrary, autocratic principals in far too many of the schools that Nadelstern created and Bloomberg deserves blame for. How did we get principals who&#039;d never taught? Who have no clue what should be going on in a classroom?

&quot;Although some credit recovery can be dubious, no principal will risk their job by just giving credits away.&quot;

Based on what? Credit recovery is rampant, and it is rewarded through the Progress Reports. No one investigates; no one looks closely. If principals caught changing grades are not even admonished, who will be afraid of handing out credit? 

&quot;She said something to the effect that she couldn’t teach under the current system because she would feel stifled. Any principal worth his salt encourages and breeds innovation and creativity in the classroom.&quot;

Says who? Mandated curricula. Mandated classroom models. Mapping standards to lessons. Acuity. It goes on and on. Ask any teacher with a few years what has happened to their job. We&#039;ve never been as CYA as we are now, and we&#039;ve never been as exhausted.

Essentially, you&#039;ve called her a liar time and time again. You did the same to sodeskune. But you&#039;ve provided nothing to back up what you say. 

The reason it&#039;s easy to pile on Bloomberg is that the system has gotten worse under his watch. From the inside, we know. And no spin will wipe that away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Although the current system is far from perfect, it is miles for the corrupt, cronyism system that existed under the ol’ BOE. Principalships were not given to the most qualified individuals but to those who spent their years brown nosing and kissing up to the powers that be. At least today, dynamic leaders are given an opportunity to lead and many are doing a phenomenal job.&#8221;</p>
<p>And you claim to know your way around the Bronx? We are saddled with incompetent, inexperienced, arbitrary, autocratic principals in far too many of the schools that Nadelstern created and Bloomberg deserves blame for. How did we get principals who&#8217;d never taught? Who have no clue what should be going on in a classroom?</p>
<p>&#8220;Although some credit recovery can be dubious, no principal will risk their job by just giving credits away.&#8221;</p>
<p>Based on what? Credit recovery is rampant, and it is rewarded through the Progress Reports. No one investigates; no one looks closely. If principals caught changing grades are not even admonished, who will be afraid of handing out credit? </p>
<p>&#8220;She said something to the effect that she couldn’t teach under the current system because she would feel stifled. Any principal worth his salt encourages and breeds innovation and creativity in the classroom.&#8221;</p>
<p>Says who? Mandated curricula. Mandated classroom models. Mapping standards to lessons. Acuity. It goes on and on. Ask any teacher with a few years what has happened to their job. We&#8217;ve never been as CYA as we are now, and we&#8217;ve never been as exhausted.</p>
<p>Essentially, you&#8217;ve called her a liar time and time again. You did the same to sodeskune. But you&#8217;ve provided nothing to back up what you say. </p>
<p>The reason it&#8217;s easy to pile on Bloomberg is that the system has gotten worse under his watch. From the inside, we know. And no spin will wipe that away.</p>
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		<title>By: edu_scientist</title>
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		<dc:creator>edu_scientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sodeskune : what you are talking about is simply ridiculous. If it is true, which I doubt, either your principal has no soul or the teachers in your building have no spine. Call 311 and report it. 

Although some credit recovery can be dubious, no principal will risk their job by just giving credits away. However, I know some people feel so guilty for subjecting students to archaic teaching methods of some teachers and their grading policies. So give students the opportunity to legitimately recover seat time for a credit. We can go back &amp; forth with this finger pointing. 

No one likes accountability. The Mayor however has stepped up to the plate and said if you like the direction the schools are going in then vote me in. If not... the people will vote him out. 

And in my humble opinion, once he had won Mayoral control the term limits should have been moved to 3 terms or 12 years. That is a cohort of kids going through the system from 1st until Graduation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sodeskune : what you are talking about is simply ridiculous. If it is true, which I doubt, either your principal has no soul or the teachers in your building have no spine. Call 311 and report it. </p>
<p>Although some credit recovery can be dubious, no principal will risk their job by just giving credits away. However, I know some people feel so guilty for subjecting students to archaic teaching methods of some teachers and their grading policies. So give students the opportunity to legitimately recover seat time for a credit. We can go back &amp; forth with this finger pointing. </p>
<p>No one likes accountability. The Mayor however has stepped up to the plate and said if you like the direction the schools are going in then vote me in. If not&#8230; the people will vote him out. </p>
<p>And in my humble opinion, once he had won Mayoral control the term limits should have been moved to 3 terms or 12 years. That is a cohort of kids going through the system from 1st until Graduation.</p>
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