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	<title>Comments on: Teachers and principals unions fighting over first days of school</title>
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		<title>By: Attention Students: Please Stay Home Tuesday - City Room Blog - NYTimes.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Attention Students: Please Stay Home Tuesday - City Room Blog - NYTimes.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 15:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] But principals were furious with the idea that teachers and students would be showing up for the first time on the same day. Ernest Logan, president of the Council of School Supervisors and Administrators, said the move would be very disruptive and force schools to do “15 things at the same time,” since teachers usually use the day before students arrive to set up their classroom and get basic things in order. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] But principals were furious with the idea that teachers and students would be showing up for the first time on the same day. Ernest Logan, president of the Council of School Supervisors and Administrators, said the move would be very disruptive and force schools to do “15 things at the same time,” since teachers usually use the day before students arrive to set up their classroom and get basic things in order. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: TShannon</title>
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		<dc:creator>TShannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kitchen Sink-  I have not been treated badly, nor have I become too jaded.  I actually enjoy teaching and care very deeply about the 150+ students I teach each day.  Stating DOE policy  is not being mistreated, nor is following it being jaded.  We used to have these days off and then lost them in a poorly negotiated contract.  Some years the students returned on the MONDAY after Labor Day.  What is the big deal to revisit the start date for the kids??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kitchen Sink-  I have not been treated badly, nor have I become too jaded.  I actually enjoy teaching and care very deeply about the 150+ students I teach each day.  Stating DOE policy  is not being mistreated, nor is following it being jaded.  We used to have these days off and then lost them in a poorly negotiated contract.  Some years the students returned on the MONDAY after Labor Day.  What is the big deal to revisit the start date for the kids??</p>
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		<title>By: TShannon</title>
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		<dc:creator>TShannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The UFT agreed to give SUpport to the new Tier V pension plan.</description>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smith:


1. All  the pension issues require legislation, which in &quot;real&quot; politics requires the approval of the union. Probably will not actually become law until later in the year.


2. With Randi leaving and the school year ending the announcement is timely.


3. There are two PD days during the school year, Election Day and Bklyn/Queens Day, one or both could be converted to insturctional days.


4. This decision could be tied to the upcoming contract negotiations ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smith:</p>
<p>1. All  the pension issues require legislation, which in &#8220;real&#8221; politics requires the approval of the union. Probably will not actually become law until later in the year.</p>
<p>2. With Randi leaving and the school year ending the announcement is timely.</p>
<p>3. There are two PD days during the school year, Election Day and Bklyn/Queens Day, one or both could be converted to insturctional days.</p>
<p>4. This decision could be tied to the upcoming contract negotiations &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 01:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m as stunned and outraged as anyone.  But no one has explained why the UFT might have done this.  What leverage did the DOE have?  Why did the union feel the need to sign this now?  Aren&#039;t penions a state issue?  It appears that some of the givebacks, at least the TDA reduction, didn&#039;t need union support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m as stunned and outraged as anyone.  But no one has explained why the UFT might have done this.  What leverage did the DOE have?  Why did the union feel the need to sign this now?  Aren&#8217;t penions a state issue?  It appears that some of the givebacks, at least the TDA reduction, didn&#8217;t need union support.</p>
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		<title>By: KitchenSink</title>
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		<dc:creator>KitchenSink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 01:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry you have been treated so badly and have gotten so jaded, TShannon.</description>
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		<title>By: TShannon</title>
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		<dc:creator>TShannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, for one, am happy to get my 2 days back.  
A few points:

1. Teachers are not permitted to move furniture, climb on desks to hang decorations, or conduct any other custodial duties.   If one were to be injured performing one of these duties I say &quot;Good Luck&quot; in getting a Line of Duty day off or even worse disability if you became that hurt.  Don&#039;t learn this lesson the hard way.

2. We are not allowed in the buildings when school is not in session  without obtaining a permit. Example- If the Knitting Club is meeting on Tuesday from 3-5pm, that does not mean you can sit in your room and do lessons.  That permit is for the Knitting Club, not you.  This is a security measure for students and staff alike so that the Engineer knows who is in the building at all times.

3. The expectation that  the &quot;true professionals&quot; will come in any way is an insult.   Real professionals are treated as such and receive pay for work completed. 

4. The issue is not with the UFT.  It is now in Chancellor Klein&#039;s hands to move the start to September 10.  That gives parents over 2 months to obtain a sitter for the 2 days their child is unsupervised.

This does not mean I will not have lessons and plans made for Sept 8th.  We never had time for that during those 2 days anyway.  We were getting Professional Development and never receive our teaching programs and room assignments until after lunch on Friday anyway.   I always spend Labor Day weekend making copies (at my expense) and writing lessons.  This year will be no different.

This &#039;True Professional&quot; hopes to be at Field 6 on Jones&#039; Beach on September 3rd and 4th.  I&#039;ll be the one writing lessons or cutting out letters for my Bulletin Boards.   See Ya There!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, for one, am happy to get my 2 days back.<br />
A few points:</p>
<p>1. Teachers are not permitted to move furniture, climb on desks to hang decorations, or conduct any other custodial duties.   If one were to be injured performing one of these duties I say &#8220;Good Luck&#8221; in getting a Line of Duty day off or even worse disability if you became that hurt.  Don&#8217;t learn this lesson the hard way.</p>
<p>2. We are not allowed in the buildings when school is not in session  without obtaining a permit. Example- If the Knitting Club is meeting on Tuesday from 3-5pm, that does not mean you can sit in your room and do lessons.  That permit is for the Knitting Club, not you.  This is a security measure for students and staff alike so that the Engineer knows who is in the building at all times.</p>
<p>3. The expectation that  the &#8220;true professionals&#8221; will come in any way is an insult.   Real professionals are treated as such and receive pay for work completed. </p>
<p>4. The issue is not with the UFT.  It is now in Chancellor Klein&#8217;s hands to move the start to September 10.  That gives parents over 2 months to obtain a sitter for the 2 days their child is unsupervised.</p>
<p>This does not mean I will not have lessons and plans made for Sept 8th.  We never had time for that during those 2 days anyway.  We were getting Professional Development and never receive our teaching programs and room assignments until after lunch on Friday anyway.   I always spend Labor Day weekend making copies (at my expense) and writing lessons.  This year will be no different.</p>
<p>This &#8216;True Professional&#8221; hopes to be at Field 6 on Jones&#8217; Beach on September 3rd and 4th.  I&#8217;ll be the one writing lessons or cutting out letters for my Bulletin Boards.   See Ya There!!!</p>
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		<title>By: KitchenSink</title>
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		<dc:creator>KitchenSink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s another reflection: this idea is just plain stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s another reflection: this idea is just plain stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: KitchenSink</title>
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		<dc:creator>KitchenSink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone figured out who benefits here?  I&#039;m totally baffled, as baffled as I am by the rumor that one or more of the 2010 state tests are being moved to May (that&#039;s right, May...and being moved, um, now, after schools and teaching teams have presumably mapped out their coming instructional year already).

If it&#039;s BloomKlein, and I kind of like that name, then why in the world would the UFT agree to this?  Have they been strong-armed on this one?

This is indeed going to be an unmitigated disaster for teachers, principals, parents and kids.  As others have stated, teachers are going to show up early, and not &quot;get paid&quot; for those days.  (in quotes because I don&#039;t think anyone will actually get paid less, but I suppose BloomKlein can lord it over the UFT as a bargaining chip in the coming contract negotiations.)  And this in a year when the school year is FIVE DAYS shorter than 2008-09 already.  

Other than my negotiation presumption, has anyone answered, &quot;How exactly does this save money anyway?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone figured out who benefits here?  I&#8217;m totally baffled, as baffled as I am by the rumor that one or more of the 2010 state tests are being moved to May (that&#8217;s right, May&#8230;and being moved, um, now, after schools and teaching teams have presumably mapped out their coming instructional year already).</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s BloomKlein, and I kind of like that name, then why in the world would the UFT agree to this?  Have they been strong-armed on this one?</p>
<p>This is indeed going to be an unmitigated disaster for teachers, principals, parents and kids.  As others have stated, teachers are going to show up early, and not &#8220;get paid&#8221; for those days.  (in quotes because I don&#8217;t think anyone will actually get paid less, but I suppose BloomKlein can lord it over the UFT as a bargaining chip in the coming contract negotiations.)  And this in a year when the school year is FIVE DAYS shorter than 2008-09 already.  </p>
<p>Other than my negotiation presumption, has anyone answered, &#8220;How exactly does this save money anyway?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: leonie haimson</title>
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		<dc:creator>leonie haimson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ceolaf:  let&#039;s deconstruct what you surmised above:

You wrote: &quot;Klein apparently believes all that kids come to school ready to learn and already motivated. Perhaps he did, and all his friends, and his children, and his children’s friends. If that is his personal experience, we can understand why he thinks that. Of course, distance learning can be useful for those who are already motivated and are ready to learn.&quot; 

Klein sent his (step) children to private schools where no classes were larger than 15.  So did the Mayor and all the Mayor&#039;s friends.  Not one of the schools would dare suggest an educational system where children learn primarily through computers and without the close  daily attention of their teachers.

Not one would focus on test prep, not one would allow conditions to exist in which there was minimal art, music and all those other untested subjects.

No, Klein and his supporters argue that this is what the schools should look like for everyone else&#039;s children but their own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ceolaf:  let&#8217;s deconstruct what you surmised above:</p>
<p>You wrote: &#8220;Klein apparently believes all that kids come to school ready to learn and already motivated. Perhaps he did, and all his friends, and his children, and his children’s friends. If that is his personal experience, we can understand why he thinks that. Of course, distance learning can be useful for those who are already motivated and are ready to learn.&#8221; </p>
<p>Klein sent his (step) children to private schools where no classes were larger than 15.  So did the Mayor and all the Mayor&#8217;s friends.  Not one of the schools would dare suggest an educational system where children learn primarily through computers and without the close  daily attention of their teachers.</p>
<p>Not one would focus on test prep, not one would allow conditions to exist in which there was minimal art, music and all those other untested subjects.</p>
<p>No, Klein and his supporters argue that this is what the schools should look like for everyone else&#8217;s children but their own.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ceolaf,
Well (and better) said.
Still, I would note that nearly all parents I&#039;ve spoken with are well past being interested in what makes Mr. Klein tick -- we&#039;re much more interested in his policies, and disdain for earnest input, let alone &quot;consultation&quot; -- even when the CURRENT law which he has been flaunting requires it.

At the risk of further mockery... 
Note that Klein also believes that anything worth learning can be tested (and anything not on the test ain&#039;t worth saving a cluster room for, e.g. art, science, music); class sizes don&#039;t matter (unless in a charter school); and &quot;accountability&quot; means it&#039;s the principals&#039; fault if things go south, yet kudos to Hizzoner if things go well; and I&#039;m saving this for last -- it is the fault of TEACHERS that the dream of the civil rights movement has yet to be fully realized* (this despite the fact that NYC schools are de facto segretated, and that said segregation is EXACERBATED by a good number of DOE policies.)

* I truly wish I were making this one up.  See Klein on HuffPo:
http (colon) //www (dot) huffingtonpost (dot) com/joel-klein/transforming-the-teaching_b_200616 (dot) html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ceolaf,<br />
Well (and better) said.<br />
Still, I would note that nearly all parents I&#8217;ve spoken with are well past being interested in what makes Mr. Klein tick &#8212; we&#8217;re much more interested in his policies, and disdain for earnest input, let alone &#8220;consultation&#8221; &#8212; even when the CURRENT law which he has been flaunting requires it.</p>
<p>At the risk of further mockery&#8230;<br />
Note that Klein also believes that anything worth learning can be tested (and anything not on the test ain&#8217;t worth saving a cluster room for, e.g. art, science, music); class sizes don&#8217;t matter (unless in a charter school); and &#8220;accountability&#8221; means it&#8217;s the principals&#8217; fault if things go south, yet kudos to Hizzoner if things go well; and I&#8217;m saving this for last &#8212; it is the fault of TEACHERS that the dream of the civil rights movement has yet to be fully realized* (this despite the fact that NYC schools are de facto segretated, and that said segregation is EXACERBATED by a good number of DOE policies.)</p>
<p>* I truly wish I were making this one up.  See Klein on HuffPo:<br />
http (colon) //www (dot) huffingtonpost (dot) com/joel-klein/transforming-the-teaching_b_200616 (dot) html</p>
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		<title>By: John Hancock</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Hancock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ceolaf,

You are joking right?  If not what you have done is mock him better than anyone else so far.  As someone who has personally met with him a few times, he knows what his options are, he knows the outcomes, he knows, he knows, he knows!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ceolaf,</p>
<p>You are joking right?  If not what you have done is mock him better than anyone else so far.  As someone who has personally met with him a few times, he knows what his options are, he knows the outcomes, he knows, he knows, he knows!!</p>
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		<title>By: ceolaf</title>
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		<dc:creator>ceolaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we&#039;re going to go down this path...

Rather than mock Klein for this vision -- not productive -- we ought to understand why he believes in it and what that tells about his views of education, schooling and teaching. Let&#039;s assume that he is well-meaning and has some intelligence. What does that leave us?

My theory? Well, he does what most people do.

1) Klein believe that everyone else is just like him, and children are just like he was.

2) He does not have an accurate view of what he was like as a child.

3) He has a very limited view/understanding of the nature of learning complex (thinking) skills.

*********************

Klein apparently believes all that kids come to school ready to learn and already motivated. Perhaps he did, and all his friends, and his children, and his children&#039;s friends. If that is his personal experience, we can understand why he thinks that. Of course, distance learning can be useful for those who are already motivated and are ready to learn. 

Klein apparently believes in pure &quot;direct instruction&quot; -- lecture. I believe that real intellectual skill development happens in interactions, in the back and forth between people. But there are many educators who believe strongly in direct instruction; Klein is not the only one. 

I would say that Klein probably believes that demonstrating, explaining and teaching are virtually the same thing. 

******************

We can look at what Klein says about his goals and vision and extrapolate from all of that a philosophy of  education, and even recognize that most of its elements can be found among educators we ourselves have worked with. Heck, there might even be some elements that you agree with, or even that I agree with -- though I haven&#039;t come up with any, yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we&#8217;re going to go down this path&#8230;</p>
<p>Rather than mock Klein for this vision &#8212; not productive &#8212; we ought to understand why he believes in it and what that tells about his views of education, schooling and teaching. Let&#8217;s assume that he is well-meaning and has some intelligence. What does that leave us?</p>
<p>My theory? Well, he does what most people do.</p>
<p>1) Klein believe that everyone else is just like him, and children are just like he was.</p>
<p>2) He does not have an accurate view of what he was like as a child.</p>
<p>3) He has a very limited view/understanding of the nature of learning complex (thinking) skills.</p>
<p>*********************</p>
<p>Klein apparently believes all that kids come to school ready to learn and already motivated. Perhaps he did, and all his friends, and his children, and his children&#8217;s friends. If that is his personal experience, we can understand why he thinks that. Of course, distance learning can be useful for those who are already motivated and are ready to learn. </p>
<p>Klein apparently believes in pure &#8220;direct instruction&#8221; &#8212; lecture. I believe that real intellectual skill development happens in interactions, in the back and forth between people. But there are many educators who believe strongly in direct instruction; Klein is not the only one. </p>
<p>I would say that Klein probably believes that demonstrating, explaining and teaching are virtually the same thing. </p>
<p>******************</p>
<p>We can look at what Klein says about his goals and vision and extrapolate from all of that a philosophy of  education, and even recognize that most of its elements can be found among educators we ourselves have worked with. Heck, there might even be some elements that you agree with, or even that I agree with &#8212; though I haven&#8217;t come up with any, yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1,000 kids per teacher and all on computer?  Remind me again: How did Bill Gates make his money?

School zoning will be replaced by &quot;Internet Zone&quot; and &quot;Local Intranet Zone,&quot; giving a whole new meaning to this spring&#039;s manic &quot;site searches.&quot;
If you want a model of this version of a &quot;neighborhood school,&quot; ask your kids for a tour of &quot;ToonTown&quot; or &quot;ClubPenguin.&quot;  And they&#039;ll have to work from home; DOE is converting cluster rooms (including some computer rooms) to gen ed, and, despite the paid protestations of DOE&#039;s PR flacks, jacking the schools&#039; nominal &quot;capacity&quot; figures.

&quot;Hey Mom!  I got to Level 4 on my Wii-L-A test!  And that&#039;s without credit -- or hard drive -- recovery!  Can I get paid now?&quot;

Contract negotiations will really get interesting now that Disney 3D can be run on a home widescreen.  &quot;Mr Fredricksen&quot; from &quot;Up&quot; is going to be the DOE&#039;s ONLY principal, and the Reese Witherspoon character from &quot;Monsters vs Aliens&quot; is going to be every 2nd grade boy&#039;s dream teacher.

As long as everyone&#039;s logged on by September 8th, here&#039;s hoping for a complete (re)BOOT in November.

P.S.  Maybe Mr. Smithers can now roll back the cell phone ban; smart phones can access ARIS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1,000 kids per teacher and all on computer?  Remind me again: How did Bill Gates make his money?</p>
<p>School zoning will be replaced by &#8220;Internet Zone&#8221; and &#8220;Local Intranet Zone,&#8221; giving a whole new meaning to this spring&#8217;s manic &#8220;site searches.&#8221;<br />
If you want a model of this version of a &#8220;neighborhood school,&#8221; ask your kids for a tour of &#8220;ToonTown&#8221; or &#8220;ClubPenguin.&#8221;  And they&#8217;ll have to work from home; DOE is converting cluster rooms (including some computer rooms) to gen ed, and, despite the paid protestations of DOE&#8217;s PR flacks, jacking the schools&#8217; nominal &#8220;capacity&#8221; figures.</p>
<p>&#8220;Hey Mom!  I got to Level 4 on my Wii-L-A test!  And that&#8217;s without credit &#8212; or hard drive &#8212; recovery!  Can I get paid now?&#8221;</p>
<p>Contract negotiations will really get interesting now that Disney 3D can be run on a home widescreen.  &#8220;Mr Fredricksen&#8221; from &#8220;Up&#8221; is going to be the DOE&#8217;s ONLY principal, and the Reese Witherspoon character from &#8220;Monsters vs Aliens&#8221; is going to be every 2nd grade boy&#8217;s dream teacher.</p>
<p>As long as everyone&#8217;s logged on by September 8th, here&#8217;s hoping for a complete (re)BOOT in November.</p>
<p>P.S.  Maybe Mr. Smithers can now roll back the cell phone ban; smart phones can access ARIS.</p>
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		<title>By: Pogue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pogue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 09:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mind-boggled, I think you are mistaken about &quot;how little concern all parties have for actual work of schools.&quot;  Parents are concerned, teachers are concerned, and &quot;good&quot; principals are concerned for the education of children.  What we have nowadays are leaders, &quot;Bloomberg, Klein, Weingarten, Duncan, etc. who are bereft of their concern towards all childrens&#039; development.  These leaders are experimenting on our public school children and making a good amount of money for themselves and their friends while doing it.  If Bloomberg wins another term as mayor, it will truly expose how &quot;little concern&quot; the voters have for the actual work of schools, and democracy, for the matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mind-boggled, I think you are mistaken about &#8220;how little concern all parties have for actual work of schools.&#8221;  Parents are concerned, teachers are concerned, and &#8220;good&#8221; principals are concerned for the education of children.  What we have nowadays are leaders, &#8220;Bloomberg, Klein, Weingarten, Duncan, etc. who are bereft of their concern towards all childrens&#8217; development.  These leaders are experimenting on our public school children and making a good amount of money for themselves and their friends while doing it.  If Bloomberg wins another term as mayor, it will truly expose how &#8220;little concern&#8221; the voters have for the actual work of schools, and democracy, for the matter.</p>
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		<title>By: mind-boggled</title>
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		<dc:creator>mind-boggled</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 05:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. I am trying to wrap my mind around this one. It can only set everyone up to fail, and it just exposes how little concern all parties have for the actual work of schools. Wow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. I am trying to wrap my mind around this one. It can only set everyone up to fail, and it just exposes how little concern all parties have for the actual work of schools. Wow.</p>
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		<title>By: ceolaf</title>
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		<dc:creator>ceolaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 03:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leonie,

Bloomberg would claim &quot;productivity gains&quot; each time teachers got a raise and had to stay at school later. Aren&#039;t they calling this a &quot;productivity giveback&quot;?

No?

My mistake. I thought maybe there&#039;d be some consistency. My mistake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leonie,</p>
<p>Bloomberg would claim &#8220;productivity gains&#8221; each time teachers got a raise and had to stay at school later. Aren&#8217;t they calling this a &#8220;productivity giveback&#8221;?</p>
<p>No?</p>
<p>My mistake. I thought maybe there&#8217;d be some consistency. My mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: leonie haimson</title>
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		<dc:creator>leonie haimson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 03:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“productivity gains&quot;?  doesn&#039;t sound like that to me.  Sounds more like when Giuliani didnt want to give the UFT a raise so instead gave them the mid-winter extra vacation.  Except the kids got one too.

Why not let the kids teach themselves?  That&#039;s what Klein wants to move towards.   1000 kids per teacher, and all of them on computers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“productivity gains&#8221;?  doesn&#8217;t sound like that to me.  Sounds more like when Giuliani didnt want to give the UFT a raise so instead gave them the mid-winter extra vacation.  Except the kids got one too.</p>
<p>Why not let the kids teach themselves?  That&#8217;s what Klein wants to move towards.   1000 kids per teacher, and all of them on computers.</p>
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		<title>By: ceolaf</title>
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		<dc:creator>ceolaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 02:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have trouble seeing how this is a victory for anyone*.

1) It&#039;s not a victory for teachers, who get paid less though they are expected to be do just as good a job.

2) It&#039;s not a victory for students. Some teachers -- however few -- won&#039;t show, and that will hurt some students. 

3) It&#039;s not a victory for administrators, who job of building a coherent faculty to further a coherent vision for a meaningful education for students just got harder. Even if every teacher comes in for a few days before school students show, who is know when they&#039;ll be there or how many will be there at a time? Grade level meetings? Department meetings? Just that must harder to schedule before the kids show, if its even possible at all. 

* So, who could it be a victory for? The union gets to claim a victory by the same logic that Bloomberg used in the past when spoke of &quot;productivity gains.&quot; I suppose that it could be a victory for those who would have to take heat for raising taxes. Certainly central office personnel and vendors who were not cut -- though I believe that central offices can serve critical function that enable school-level personal to do their best work. 

It&#039;s just a loss, something that the economic downturn is costing most everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have trouble seeing how this is a victory for anyone*.</p>
<p>1) It&#8217;s not a victory for teachers, who get paid less though they are expected to be do just as good a job.</p>
<p>2) It&#8217;s not a victory for students. Some teachers &#8212; however few &#8212; won&#8217;t show, and that will hurt some students. </p>
<p>3) It&#8217;s not a victory for administrators, who job of building a coherent faculty to further a coherent vision for a meaningful education for students just got harder. Even if every teacher comes in for a few days before school students show, who is know when they&#8217;ll be there or how many will be there at a time? Grade level meetings? Department meetings? Just that must harder to schedule before the kids show, if its even possible at all. </p>
<p>* So, who could it be a victory for? The union gets to claim a victory by the same logic that Bloomberg used in the past when spoke of &#8220;productivity gains.&#8221; I suppose that it could be a victory for those who would have to take heat for raising taxes. Certainly central office personnel and vendors who were not cut &#8212; though I believe that central offices can serve critical function that enable school-level personal to do their best work. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s just a loss, something that the economic downturn is costing most everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: NY Educator</title>
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		<dc:creator>NY Educator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 01:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The amazing thing here is that the UFT hails this as a victory when, in fact, any teacher worth their salt is coming in on those 2 days to set up their classrooms and become involved in their workplace (community).  In essence, they gave up the two days that most people come in for anyways when they were getting paid.  Clearly, the most beneficial solution to all would have been to eliminate Election Day and June 28 (THAT&#039;S RIGHT, THE DAY AFTER THE LAST DAY FOR STUDENTS THAT TEACHERS ARE NOW REQUIRED TO SHOW UP FOR).  PATHETIC! Let&#039;s hope that people come to their senses here and allow at least one day for set-up, meetings, etc. before school starts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The amazing thing here is that the UFT hails this as a victory when, in fact, any teacher worth their salt is coming in on those 2 days to set up their classrooms and become involved in their workplace (community).  In essence, they gave up the two days that most people come in for anyways when they were getting paid.  Clearly, the most beneficial solution to all would have been to eliminate Election Day and June 28 (THAT&#8217;S RIGHT, THE DAY AFTER THE LAST DAY FOR STUDENTS THAT TEACHERS ARE NOW REQUIRED TO SHOW UP FOR).  PATHETIC! Let&#8217;s hope that people come to their senses here and allow at least one day for set-up, meetings, etc. before school starts.</p>
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