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		<title>By: Jobs for 14 year olds</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jobs for 14 year olds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 04:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post! We enjoy the reading!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post! We enjoy the reading!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D,
Per NY1 stats (see my comment on Today&#039;s Rise&amp;Shine), only EIGHT percent want Mayoral Control to continue as an autocracy.  8%.


None of the other cities in NYS are run as 32 fiefdoms, and NO ONE is advocating that for NYC.  But they ALL -- under various School-Board / Superintendent models -- enjoy a meaningful public debate over policy, and the power to implement same that is ABSENT in NYC.  And with all due respect to our successes, our results simply do NOT prove to the exclusion of all other contributing factors that autocracy beats democracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D,<br />
Per NY1 stats (see my comment on Today&#8217;s Rise&amp;Shine), only EIGHT percent want Mayoral Control to continue as an autocracy.  8%.</p>
<p>None of the other cities in NYS are run as 32 fiefdoms, and NO ONE is advocating that for NYC.  But they ALL &#8212; under various School-Board / Superintendent models &#8212; enjoy a meaningful public debate over policy, and the power to implement same that is ABSENT in NYC.  And with all due respect to our successes, our results simply do NOT prove to the exclusion of all other contributing factors that autocracy beats democracy.</p>
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		<title>By: Dissenter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dissenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael:
It seems to me that we should all be celebrating the fact that the grad rate is up all over NY State. I also will let Joel Klein and Michael Bloomberge toot their own horns about it too. I think probably what they have proven is that while schools can be run by both the Mayor and in the rest of NY State, school boards, there is something to gargantuan about NYC that will not allow the school board model to work here. I mean the Board of Ed ran the schools for decades, and ran them into the ground. Maybe once a system gets too large you need a different governance model. That&#039;s the message I hear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael:<br />
It seems to me that we should all be celebrating the fact that the grad rate is up all over NY State. I also will let Joel Klein and Michael Bloomberge toot their own horns about it too. I think probably what they have proven is that while schools can be run by both the Mayor and in the rest of NY State, school boards, there is something to gargantuan about NYC that will not allow the school board model to work here. I mean the Board of Ed ran the schools for decades, and ran them into the ground. Maybe once a system gets too large you need a different governance model. That&#8217;s the message I hear.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D,
In an effort to depersonalize this -- and lighten the mood -- I would venture to suggest the old system may have been easier to diagram:  If one were &quot;connected,&quot; a simple call to someone with &quot;juice&quot; did the trick, no?  What&#039;s to diagram?

I&#039;m not blaming the Chancellor for the poor grad rate.  Per reported state data, it&#039;s up in the city by virtually all measures.  It&#039;s up all over the state, and moreover, in cities WITHOUT Mayoral Control.  But to hear Bloomberg and Klein recently, you&#039;d think they had eliminated the achievement gap between NYC and the state; and between blacks and hispanics, and whites and asians, within the city.  And Mayoral Control -- not the kids, the teachers, the principals, and the parents (who I assume ARE fully invested), let alone questionable test and graduation standards or &quot;Credit Recovery&quot; -- gets the credit?  Puleeze.

My point in connecting the admissions process to the graduation rate is simple:  Which high school any given student goes to, or rather GETS IN TO... matters.  On that, I dare say we clearly agree.

Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D,<br />
In an effort to depersonalize this &#8212; and lighten the mood &#8212; I would venture to suggest the old system may have been easier to diagram:  If one were &#8220;connected,&#8221; a simple call to someone with &#8220;juice&#8221; did the trick, no?  What&#8217;s to diagram?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not blaming the Chancellor for the poor grad rate.  Per reported state data, it&#8217;s up in the city by virtually all measures.  It&#8217;s up all over the state, and moreover, in cities WITHOUT Mayoral Control.  But to hear Bloomberg and Klein recently, you&#8217;d think they had eliminated the achievement gap between NYC and the state; and between blacks and hispanics, and whites and asians, within the city.  And Mayoral Control &#8212; not the kids, the teachers, the principals, and the parents (who I assume ARE fully invested), let alone questionable test and graduation standards or &#8220;Credit Recovery&#8221; &#8212; gets the credit?  Puleeze.</p>
<p>My point in connecting the admissions process to the graduation rate is simple:  Which high school any given student goes to, or rather GETS IN TO&#8230; matters.  On that, I dare say we clearly agree.</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: Dissenter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dissenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael I don&#039;t think my post says anything about the high school graduation rate and I can certainly assure it was not meant to address that. I have no opinion about the high school grad rate-- I&#039;m just working to make sure my son graduates. If every parent did that and took their jobs seriously, then I guess the high school graduation rate in NYC would be 100%, right?  How can you blame the Chancellor for a poor grad rate? Making sure my sons finish school is my job, and no one else&#039;s. Plain and simple.

I also did not say the current process was perfect. But I know what the old one was like, especially the newspaper reports that politicians and connected people would call up Board of Ed members for their free &quot;get into any school you want but Stuyvesant, Bronx Science or Brooklyn Tech&quot; cards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael I don&#8217;t think my post says anything about the high school graduation rate and I can certainly assure it was not meant to address that. I have no opinion about the high school grad rate&#8211; I&#8217;m just working to make sure my son graduates. If every parent did that and took their jobs seriously, then I guess the high school graduation rate in NYC would be 100%, right?  How can you blame the Chancellor for a poor grad rate? Making sure my sons finish school is my job, and no one else&#8217;s. Plain and simple.</p>
<p>I also did not say the current process was perfect. But I know what the old one was like, especially the newspaper reports that politicians and connected people would call up Board of Ed members for their free &#8220;get into any school you want but Stuyvesant, Bronx Science or Brooklyn Tech&#8221; cards.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bingo, here&#039;s that string:
http://gothamschools.org/2009/06/17/report-citys-small-schools-push-damaged-large-high-schools/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bingo, here&#8217;s that string:<br />
<a href="http://gothamschools.org/2009/06/17/report-citys-small-schools-push-damaged-large-high-schools/" rel="nofollow">http://gothamschools.org/2009/06/17/report-citys-small-schools-push-damaged-large-high-schools/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D,
If the new system is so &quot;transparent,&quot; why did it take a flock of non-DOE researchers at the New School to create such a diagram?

And, didn&#039;t we both just reply to a string based on the same study that showed the success of the small high schools was coming at the expense of the &quot;vast majority&quot; of students in the large high schools?  To that end, your last phrase above may be as true as ever -- under EITHER system.

Last, NYC high schoolers get offers from, or assignments to, schools to which they did not apply.  And not all of them are &quot;great.&quot;

How about we work on improving the current system -- or getting a Chancellor willing to acknowledge there&#039;s even room for same?  Or is a 60% graduation rate that still lags the state-wide public school average good enough?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D,<br />
If the new system is so &#8220;transparent,&#8221; why did it take a flock of non-DOE researchers at the New School to create such a diagram?</p>
<p>And, didn&#8217;t we both just reply to a string based on the same study that showed the success of the small high schools was coming at the expense of the &#8220;vast majority&#8221; of students in the large high schools?  To that end, your last phrase above may be as true as ever &#8212; under EITHER system.</p>
<p>Last, NYC high schoolers get offers from, or assignments to, schools to which they did not apply.  And not all of them are &#8220;great.&#8221;</p>
<p>How about we work on improving the current system &#8212; or getting a Chancellor willing to acknowledge there&#8217;s even room for same?  Or is a 60% graduation rate that still lags the state-wide public school average good enough?</p>
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		<title>By: Dissenter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dissenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK what I&#039;d like to see someone do is to DIAGRAM THE OLD PROCESS that my older son participated in. What a *$&amp;$&amp;$&amp;!!! disaster that was. He got multiple offers from great schools --SOME OF WHICH HE DIDN&#039;T EVEN APPLY TOO. I have another child who will be applying in two years and based on what I read here, at least it is more transparent than the old system, where it seemed like a small number of kids were getting their pick of high schools and lots of others were suffering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK what I&#8217;d like to see someone do is to DIAGRAM THE OLD PROCESS that my older son participated in. What a *$&amp;$&amp;$&amp;!!! disaster that was. He got multiple offers from great schools &#8211;SOME OF WHICH HE DIDN&#8217;T EVEN APPLY TOO. I have another child who will be applying in two years and based on what I read here, at least it is more transparent than the old system, where it seemed like a small number of kids were getting their pick of high schools and lots of others were suffering.</p>
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		<title>By: Dee Alpert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dee Alpert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 04:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve looked everywhere on the NYC DOE&#039;s web site, including the high school directory, but just can&#039;t seem to find any recent information re high schools&#039; students&#039; SAT scores.  These are one way of evaluating how well students have learned which is not in control of the school or NYC DOE.  It&#039;s unfortunate that just when the small high school boom began in NYC, publishing high schools&#039; SAT scores stopped.

Since CUNY had to raise admission standards for its 4-year colleges because so many NYC DOE kids who had passed Regents exams were flunking out of freshman-level courses, it seems to me that at least one source of information which is not within the school&#039;s or NYC DOE&#039;s control should continue to be made available.

I mean, how many small high schools will admit that their kids graduate because they inflate grading and do &quot;credit recovery&quot; pervasively?  And how will such schools really educate a kid who believes a school&#039;s hype and sincerely wants to take the course work (and pass the courses) that are necessary to get throughthe first year of college without having to take remedial non-credit work first?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve looked everywhere on the NYC DOE&#8217;s web site, including the high school directory, but just can&#8217;t seem to find any recent information re high schools&#8217; students&#8217; SAT scores.  These are one way of evaluating how well students have learned which is not in control of the school or NYC DOE.  It&#8217;s unfortunate that just when the small high school boom began in NYC, publishing high schools&#8217; SAT scores stopped.</p>
<p>Since CUNY had to raise admission standards for its 4-year colleges because so many NYC DOE kids who had passed Regents exams were flunking out of freshman-level courses, it seems to me that at least one source of information which is not within the school&#8217;s or NYC DOE&#8217;s control should continue to be made available.</p>
<p>I mean, how many small high schools will admit that their kids graduate because they inflate grading and do &#8220;credit recovery&#8221; pervasively?  And how will such schools really educate a kid who believes a school&#8217;s hype and sincerely wants to take the course work (and pass the courses) that are necessary to get throughthe first year of college without having to take remedial non-credit work first?</p>
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		<title>By: District 13 mom</title>
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		<dc:creator>District 13 mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 02:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you give a link to a larger version of this chart? It&#039;s difficult to read on a small screen. Thank you!

What is happening with Inside Schools? Any word on whether they&#039;re getting enough donations? Our PTA sent out a notice to all parents asking them to donate to Inside Schools</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you give a link to a larger version of this chart? It&#8217;s difficult to read on a small screen. Thank you!</p>
<p>What is happening with Inside Schools? Any word on whether they&#8217;re getting enough donations? Our PTA sent out a notice to all parents asking them to donate to Inside Schools</p>
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