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One challenge for city high schools: The process to get in

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The city’s complicated high school application process makes low-income and non-English-speaking students more likely to wind up in low-performing schools, some advocates and researchers say.

To get into high school, New York City students must navigate a labyrinthine application process that can stump even the savviest parent. The Center for New York City Affairs illustrated the process with a flow chart in its recent report about small schools.

The report found that a disproportionate number of the city’s neediest students continue to wind up in large, lower-performing high schools, even as the number of small schools has increased. Their concentration has in turn caused the large schools to struggle even more, the report concluded.

The city’s primary source of information intended to help families maneuver though the process is its annual directory of all 500-odd high schools. This year’s 640-page directory is being distributed to seventh graders before the end of the week, with one major change: Now, schools’ progress report grades and quality review ratings are included. Before last year, each school’s page included its 4-year graduation rate and its math and English Regents exam passing rates. Last year’s directory included no performance data at all.

The new data is more robust than what the directory included before, according to a department spokesman, Andrew Jacob. That’s because the progress report grades take into account graduation rates and Regents pass rates as well as other performance data, Jacob said. The reports have been criticized for being difficult to understand and not statistically sound, although their critics have said the high school metrics are more reliable.

Flimsy high school information can lead to bad choices, especially for 13-year-olds who are navigating the application process largely on their own, according to panelists speaking last week at discussion about the small schools report.

One problem is that when schools advertise, they don’t always share the complete or most accurate picture, said New York University professor Pedro Noguera.

Another problem, he said, is that middle school guidance counselors often do not have the resources they need to help students make good decisions.

Steven Duch, the principal of Hillcrest High School in Queens, agreed, saying the sheer number of high schools, combined with guidance counselors’ workloads, means the counselors have little more information than students can find in the directory. “They don’t know what the high schools look like,” he said. “They haven’t visited, they dont have information at their fingertips. They probably dont have the data.”

(One place where counselors could find a lot of this information is on Insideschools.org, the Web site that provides school reviews written by trained reporters along with comments from parents, teachers, and students. But Insideschools is set to close up shop next week unless it secures substantial new funding. I used to work at Insideschools.)

High school choice has been a mixed bag for the city’s neediest students, panelists said. “You have to have the resources to access the choice,” said Noguera.

“On the other hand, no choice meant Thomas Jefferson for all of the kids in East New York,” responded Clara Hemphill, the panel’s moderator and the lead author of the report. She was referring to the large high school in Brooklyn that the city closed in 2007 because of its poor performance.

  • District 13 mom

    Can you give a link to a larger version of this chart? It’s difficult to read on a small screen. Thank you!

    What is happening with Inside Schools? Any word on whether they’re getting enough donations? Our PTA sent out a notice to all parents asking them to donate to Inside Schools

  • http://www.specialeducationmuckraker.com Dee Alpert

    I’ve looked everywhere on the NYC DOE’s web site, including the high school directory, but just can’t seem to find any recent information re high schools’ students’ SAT scores. These are one way of evaluating how well students have learned which is not in control of the school or NYC DOE. It’s unfortunate that just when the small high school boom began in NYC, publishing high schools’ SAT scores stopped.

    Since CUNY had to raise admission standards for its 4-year colleges because so many NYC DOE kids who had passed Regents exams were flunking out of freshman-level courses, it seems to me that at least one source of information which is not within the school’s or NYC DOE’s control should continue to be made available.

    I mean, how many small high schools will admit that their kids graduate because they inflate grading and do “credit recovery” pervasively? And how will such schools really educate a kid who believes a school’s hype and sincerely wants to take the course work (and pass the courses) that are necessary to get throughthe first year of college without having to take remedial non-credit work first?

  • Dissenter

    OK what I’d like to see someone do is to DIAGRAM THE OLD PROCESS that my older son participated in. What a *$&$&$&!!! disaster that was. He got multiple offers from great schools –SOME OF WHICH HE DIDN’T EVEN APPLY TOO. I have another child who will be applying in two years and based on what I read here, at least it is more transparent than the old system, where it seemed like a small number of kids were getting their pick of high schools and lots of others were suffering.

  • Michael M.

    D,
    If the new system is so “transparent,” why did it take a flock of non-DOE researchers at the New School to create such a diagram?

    And, didn’t we both just reply to a string based on the same study that showed the success of the small high schools was coming at the expense of the “vast majority” of students in the large high schools? To that end, your last phrase above may be as true as ever — under EITHER system.

    Last, NYC high schoolers get offers from, or assignments to, schools to which they did not apply. And not all of them are “great.”

    How about we work on improving the current system — or getting a Chancellor willing to acknowledge there’s even room for same? Or is a 60% graduation rate that still lags the state-wide public school average good enough?

  • Michael M.
  • Dissenter

    Michael I don’t think my post says anything about the high school graduation rate and I can certainly assure it was not meant to address that. I have no opinion about the high school grad rate– I’m just working to make sure my son graduates. If every parent did that and took their jobs seriously, then I guess the high school graduation rate in NYC would be 100%, right? How can you blame the Chancellor for a poor grad rate? Making sure my sons finish school is my job, and no one else’s. Plain and simple.

    I also did not say the current process was perfect. But I know what the old one was like, especially the newspaper reports that politicians and connected people would call up Board of Ed members for their free “get into any school you want but Stuyvesant, Bronx Science or Brooklyn Tech” cards.

  • Michael M.

    D,
    In an effort to depersonalize this — and lighten the mood — I would venture to suggest the old system may have been easier to diagram: If one were “connected,” a simple call to someone with “juice” did the trick, no? What’s to diagram?

    I’m not blaming the Chancellor for the poor grad rate. Per reported state data, it’s up in the city by virtually all measures. It’s up all over the state, and moreover, in cities WITHOUT Mayoral Control. But to hear Bloomberg and Klein recently, you’d think they had eliminated the achievement gap between NYC and the state; and between blacks and hispanics, and whites and asians, within the city. And Mayoral Control — not the kids, the teachers, the principals, and the parents (who I assume ARE fully invested), let alone questionable test and graduation standards or “Credit Recovery” — gets the credit? Puleeze.

    My point in connecting the admissions process to the graduation rate is simple: Which high school any given student goes to, or rather GETS IN TO… matters. On that, I dare say we clearly agree.

    Cheers.

  • Dissenter

    Michael:
    It seems to me that we should all be celebrating the fact that the grad rate is up all over NY State. I also will let Joel Klein and Michael Bloomberge toot their own horns about it too. I think probably what they have proven is that while schools can be run by both the Mayor and in the rest of NY State, school boards, there is something to gargantuan about NYC that will not allow the school board model to work here. I mean the Board of Ed ran the schools for decades, and ran them into the ground. Maybe once a system gets too large you need a different governance model. That’s the message I hear.

  • Michael M.

    D,
    Per NY1 stats (see my comment on Today’s Rise&Shine), only EIGHT percent want Mayoral Control to continue as an autocracy. 8%.

    None of the other cities in NYS are run as 32 fiefdoms, and NO ONE is advocating that for NYC. But they ALL — under various School-Board / Superintendent models — enjoy a meaningful public debate over policy, and the power to implement same that is ABSENT in NYC. And with all due respect to our successes, our results simply do NOT prove to the exclusion of all other contributing factors that autocracy beats democracy.

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