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		<title>By: Weingarten’s critics speculate about her mayoral control motives - Online Education in America</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weingarten’s critics speculate about her mayoral control motives - Online Education in America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 22:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] speculate about her mayoral control motives Posted in 974 at June 5th, 2009  /      // We&#8217;ve reported that people are upset with Randi Weingarten for her school governance position. But we [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] speculate about her mayoral control motives Posted in 974 at June 5th, 2009  /      // We&#8217;ve reported that people are upset with Randi Weingarten for her school governance position. But we [...]</p>
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		<title>By: KitchenSink</title>
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		<dc:creator>KitchenSink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 15:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, just to remind you, Michael, charter schools are public schools.

That&#039;s not my opinion; it&#039;s New York State law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, just to remind you, Michael, charter schools are public schools.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not my opinion; it&#8217;s New York State law.</p>
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		<title>By: Rise &#38; Shine: Allegations of grade-tampering in the Bronx - Online Education in America</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2009/06/04/randi-weingarten-under-fire-for-mayoral-control-position/comment-page-1/#comment-133315</link>
		<dc:creator>Rise &#38; Shine: Allegations of grade-tampering in the Bronx - Online Education in America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 11:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Randi Weingarten&#8217;s mayoral control position is making parents and teachers angry. (GothamSchools) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sausages, Laws and Conspiracy Theorists: Did Randi Trade Off Mayoral Control for &#8230;..? Is a Mayoral Control &#8220;Deal&#8221; Afoot? &#171; Ed In The Apple</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sausages, Laws and Conspiracy Theorists: Did Randi Trade Off Mayoral Control for &#8230;..? Is a Mayoral Control &#8220;Deal&#8221; Afoot? &#171; Ed In The Apple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 00:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] made a deal &#8230; she traded for mayoral control for &#8230;&#8221; See here and here and here.   Some postulate: a &#8220;deal&#8221; on the contract, Klein&#8217;s &#8220;head,&#8221; an [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] made a deal &#8230; she traded for mayoral control for &#8230;&#8221; See here and here and here.   Some postulate: a &#8220;deal&#8221; on the contract, Klein&#8217;s &#8220;head,&#8221; an [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Fiorillo</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2009/06/04/randi-weingarten-under-fire-for-mayoral-control-position/comment-page-1/#comment-129979</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Fiorillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 01:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to be too harsh, but I think people are being ingenues if they think that the UFT does not have a powerful voice on education issues in the legislature, particularly in the Assembly prior to the 2008 election. And that&#039;s how it should be, since the teachers are both the most stable constituency for public education, as well as - I know this goes against the current conventional wisdom/progaganda about schools - the strongest voice for students. I&#039;m aware this statement will not go over well among many readers of this site, but consider the following:

     - It is the UFT contract, and ONLY the UFT contract that places any limits on class size.         Without the class size caps in the contract, Bloomberg and Klein would put 50 students in each class. After all, they never tire of saying that class size is irrelevant and that only &quot;teacher quality&quot; matters. Of course, charter supporters will say that they&#039;re classes are smaller, without the &quot;inefficiencies&quot; of a union contract, but the reality is that charters are private entities masquerading as public schools, siphoning off public funds and receiving substantial private subsidies. Comparing charters - with their actively or passively creamed student populations, their low or nonexistent ELL and Special Ed populations, their freedom to remove students for whom the school &quot;is not a good fit&quot; - with zoned public schools is an exercise in naivete or dishonesty.

     - The union contract, and ONLY the union contract allows people to make teaching a career, where many teachers often spend their entire professional lives serving the children of a particular community. This is an inestimable social benefit that is often overlooked. Again, charter schools are all about work force transience and turnover  (an explicit policy goal of Klein&#039;s, and one reason he&#039;s pushing charters so aggressively), making teaching a temporary missionary/Peace Corps gig. If this offends you, I suggest you look at the turnover rate in charter schools: it&#039;s an unacknowledged scandal, and gives the lie to their claims that they are &quot;all about the children.&quot;

The issue should not be one of people being shocked, positively shocked that the union has a powerful voice in Albany (after all,  Finance, Insurance and Real Estate certainly does, and had been unsuccessfully pushing for mayoral control for quite some time) but how well the union uses that power in the service of teachers and students. And by supporting mayoral control, and yes, being the gatekeeper in permitting it to occur, the UFT under Randi Weingarten has failed its members, students and parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to be too harsh, but I think people are being ingenues if they think that the UFT does not have a powerful voice on education issues in the legislature, particularly in the Assembly prior to the 2008 election. And that&#8217;s how it should be, since the teachers are both the most stable constituency for public education, as well as &#8211; I know this goes against the current conventional wisdom/progaganda about schools &#8211; the strongest voice for students. I&#8217;m aware this statement will not go over well among many readers of this site, but consider the following:</p>
<p>     &#8211; It is the UFT contract, and ONLY the UFT contract that places any limits on class size.         Without the class size caps in the contract, Bloomberg and Klein would put 50 students in each class. After all, they never tire of saying that class size is irrelevant and that only &#8220;teacher quality&#8221; matters. Of course, charter supporters will say that they&#8217;re classes are smaller, without the &#8220;inefficiencies&#8221; of a union contract, but the reality is that charters are private entities masquerading as public schools, siphoning off public funds and receiving substantial private subsidies. Comparing charters &#8211; with their actively or passively creamed student populations, their low or nonexistent ELL and Special Ed populations, their freedom to remove students for whom the school &#8220;is not a good fit&#8221; &#8211; with zoned public schools is an exercise in naivete or dishonesty.</p>
<p>     &#8211; The union contract, and ONLY the union contract allows people to make teaching a career, where many teachers often spend their entire professional lives serving the children of a particular community. This is an inestimable social benefit that is often overlooked. Again, charter schools are all about work force transience and turnover  (an explicit policy goal of Klein&#8217;s, and one reason he&#8217;s pushing charters so aggressively), making teaching a temporary missionary/Peace Corps gig. If this offends you, I suggest you look at the turnover rate in charter schools: it&#8217;s an unacknowledged scandal, and gives the lie to their claims that they are &#8220;all about the children.&#8221;</p>
<p>The issue should not be one of people being shocked, positively shocked that the union has a powerful voice in Albany (after all,  Finance, Insurance and Real Estate certainly does, and had been unsuccessfully pushing for mayoral control for quite some time) but how well the union uses that power in the service of teachers and students. And by supporting mayoral control, and yes, being the gatekeeper in permitting it to occur, the UFT under Randi Weingarten has failed its members, students and parents.</p>
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		<title>By: Ellen McHugh</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2009/06/04/randi-weingarten-under-fire-for-mayoral-control-position/comment-page-1/#comment-129782</link>
		<dc:creator>Ellen McHugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone is forgetting that there was more than a UFT member on the commission that created the now functioning DOE.  Parent, Unions, CBOs, concerned ctizens, all sat on that committee.  you are giving one person wwwaaaayyy to much importance.  What about all of the others who created this entity.....including the elected members of the Assembly and Senate.  You are being disingenuous to blame one person or one union.  You are also giving everyone else who worked on that proposal.... parents, unions members, CBOs and concerned citizens.... a way out, a pass, a tree to hide behind.  
And if you are going to tell me that the others willingly ceded their power to the big, bad union, well shame on them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone is forgetting that there was more than a UFT member on the commission that created the now functioning DOE.  Parent, Unions, CBOs, concerned ctizens, all sat on that committee.  you are giving one person wwwaaaayyy to much importance.  What about all of the others who created this entity&#8230;..including the elected members of the Assembly and Senate.  You are being disingenuous to blame one person or one union.  You are also giving everyone else who worked on that proposal&#8230;. parents, unions members, CBOs and concerned citizens&#8230;. a way out, a pass, a tree to hide behind.<br />
And if you are going to tell me that the others willingly ceded their power to the big, bad union, well shame on them.</p>
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		<title>By: Dissenter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dissenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How profoundly terrible the state of public policy is in New York when anyone on this forum could write &quot;the UFT always had veto power over the Legislature on this issue&quot; regarding Mayoral control, and the statement is viewed as credible. The UFT is a professional union interested in protecting adults&#039; job. The Legislature is (or should be) the People&#039;s democractive forum.  Woe is everyone if the UFT really does control the Legislature in the fashion suggested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How profoundly terrible the state of public policy is in New York when anyone on this forum could write &#8220;the UFT always had veto power over the Legislature on this issue&#8221; regarding Mayoral control, and the statement is viewed as credible. The UFT is a professional union interested in protecting adults&#8217; job. The Legislature is (or should be) the People&#8217;s democractive forum.  Woe is everyone if the UFT really does control the Legislature in the fashion suggested.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kudos to Lisa Donlan and Michael F.

My own coming of age re RW was two-plus years ago during the Fair Student Funding rollout.  To whit:  For a while it seemed that the UFT and parents had common interests on that topic.  Then Klein threw in &quot;hold harmless&quot; and some additional insulation for principals vis-a-vis teacher salaries, and suddenly, the remaining parent concerns were forgotten.  To paraphrase High School Musical, we&#039;re not all in this together.  
And certainly not on the fundamental matter of mayoral control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kudos to Lisa Donlan and Michael F.</p>
<p>My own coming of age re RW was two-plus years ago during the Fair Student Funding rollout.  To whit:  For a while it seemed that the UFT and parents had common interests on that topic.  Then Klein threw in &#8220;hold harmless&#8221; and some additional insulation for principals vis-a-vis teacher salaries, and suddenly, the remaining parent concerns were forgotten.  To paraphrase High School Musical, we&#8217;re not all in this together.<br />
And certainly not on the fundamental matter of mayoral control.</p>
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		<title>By: Pogue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pogue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems the only things she opposes are the teachers she represents, the children they teach, and the parents of those children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems the only things she opposes are the teachers she represents, the children they teach, and the parents of those children.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Fiorillo</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2009/06/04/randi-weingarten-under-fire-for-mayoral-control-position/comment-page-1/#comment-129717</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Fiorillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a public school parent, UFT Chapter Leader and member of the union&#039;s Governance Committee - who must admit that he had every expectation that Randi would pull exactly this move - I must follow up on Ellen McHugh&#039;s statement that, not only has Randi Weingarten never opposed mayoral control, but that we would not have mayoral control if not for Randi Weingarten.

The UFT always had veto power with the legislature over this issue, and it was Randi who gave the go-ahead for mayoral dictatorship of the schools in 2002. In fact, a colleague of mine who spoke with Sheldon Silver at the time tells me that Silver had  alternative legislation written that, while giving substantial power to the mayor, would have provided for some checks and balances (which I seem to recall from my US history classes, is supposed to be the American Way). Weingarten rejected this, and we now found ourselves where we are today, betrayed yet again by a so-called union leader who prefers the company and compliments of the oligarchs who are intent on privatizing the schools, de-professionalizing the job of teaching, and preparing students for the the stress, tedium, overwork and surveillance-filled electronic and service/retail sweatshop that is the 21st century workplace.

For those who work or have children in the schools, Randi&#039;s rationale that Bloomberg has brought &quot;stability, cohesion and responsibility&quot; to the schools is a particular insult to our intelligence and experience. After all the intentional fragmentation, chaotic (intentionally so) re-organizations, and refusal to accept any responsibility for ongoing crises within the schools, Randi&#039;s distortions and/or refusal to see reality rubs salt in our wounds, to ay nothing of making it harder to try and make public education work for all students.

As president of the AFT, now taking her show on the road by prepping the sell out of teachers in DC and Detroit, Weingarten&#039;s disgraceful legacy metastasizes nationally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a public school parent, UFT Chapter Leader and member of the union&#8217;s Governance Committee &#8211; who must admit that he had every expectation that Randi would pull exactly this move &#8211; I must follow up on Ellen McHugh&#8217;s statement that, not only has Randi Weingarten never opposed mayoral control, but that we would not have mayoral control if not for Randi Weingarten.</p>
<p>The UFT always had veto power with the legislature over this issue, and it was Randi who gave the go-ahead for mayoral dictatorship of the schools in 2002. In fact, a colleague of mine who spoke with Sheldon Silver at the time tells me that Silver had  alternative legislation written that, while giving substantial power to the mayor, would have provided for some checks and balances (which I seem to recall from my US history classes, is supposed to be the American Way). Weingarten rejected this, and we now found ourselves where we are today, betrayed yet again by a so-called union leader who prefers the company and compliments of the oligarchs who are intent on privatizing the schools, de-professionalizing the job of teaching, and preparing students for the the stress, tedium, overwork and surveillance-filled electronic and service/retail sweatshop that is the 21st century workplace.</p>
<p>For those who work or have children in the schools, Randi&#8217;s rationale that Bloomberg has brought &#8220;stability, cohesion and responsibility&#8221; to the schools is a particular insult to our intelligence and experience. After all the intentional fragmentation, chaotic (intentionally so) re-organizations, and refusal to accept any responsibility for ongoing crises within the schools, Randi&#8217;s distortions and/or refusal to see reality rubs salt in our wounds, to ay nothing of making it harder to try and make public education work for all students.</p>
<p>As president of the AFT, now taking her show on the road by prepping the sell out of teachers in DC and Detroit, Weingarten&#8217;s disgraceful legacy metastasizes nationally.</p>
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		<title>By: Ellen McHugh</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2009/06/04/randi-weingarten-under-fire-for-mayoral-control-position/comment-page-1/#comment-129432</link>
		<dc:creator>Ellen McHugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not for nothin&#039; folks, but Randi never said she opposed Mayoral Control.....ever</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not for nothin&#8217; folks, but Randi never said she opposed Mayoral Control&#8230;..ever</p>
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		<title>By: Rise &#38; Shine: Allegations of grade-tampering in the Bronx - Online Education in America</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2009/06/04/randi-weingarten-under-fire-for-mayoral-control-position/comment-page-1/#comment-129397</link>
		<dc:creator>Rise &#38; Shine: Allegations of grade-tampering in the Bronx - Online Education in America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 13:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Randi Weingarten&#8217;s mayoral control position is making parents and teachers angry. (GothamSchools) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Pogue</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2009/06/04/randi-weingarten-under-fire-for-mayoral-control-position/comment-page-1/#comment-129261</link>
		<dc:creator>Pogue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 09:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Randi, stated, “It’s always been a balance of stability, cohesion, and responsibility, which is what mayoral control brought us, and modifying it to create sufficient checks and balances and transparency,&quot;....did anyone notice if the document she was reading from had an &quot;Office of the Mayor&quot; seal on its letterhead?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Randi, stated, “It’s always been a balance of stability, cohesion, and responsibility, which is what mayoral control brought us, and modifying it to create sufficient checks and balances and transparency,&#8221;&#8230;.did anyone notice if the document she was reading from had an &#8220;Office of the Mayor&#8221; seal on its letterhead?</p>
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