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	<title>Comments on: For one set of teachers, the hiring freeze is a long-awaited gift</title>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 18:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, now the freeze is lifted for Teaching Fellows.  Don't get me wrong, the Fellows are cool; I worked with many in Philadelphia.  But now I find myself, an experienced teacher, willing to go career, with my Masters from the Ivy League, jobless.  I would like Weingarten, Bloomberg, and Klein to explain to me what the use is of discouraging young career teachers.  I understand the ATR is experienced, and that Fellows and TFA are high profile federally subsidized programs.  I also understand that older teachers retire or move, and "program" teachers often go on to be doctors, lawyers, etc.  I'd ask those three policy majors if they find a problem in qualified teachers willing to teach high need areas, seeking jobs in the suburbs because they have been shut out of the urban education system.  It may work now, but later, union loyalty and veteran teachers will not be a guarantee.  And our children may depend on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, now the freeze is lifted for Teaching Fellows.  Don&#8217;t get me wrong, the Fellows are cool; I worked with many in Philadelphia.  But now I find myself, an experienced teacher, willing to go career, with my Masters from the Ivy League, jobless.  I would like Weingarten, Bloomberg, and Klein to explain to me what the use is of discouraging young career teachers.  I understand the ATR is experienced, and that Fellows and TFA are high profile federally subsidized programs.  I also understand that older teachers retire or move, and &#8220;program&#8221; teachers often go on to be doctors, lawyers, etc.  I&#8217;d ask those three policy majors if they find a problem in qualified teachers willing to teach high need areas, seeking jobs in the suburbs because they have been shut out of the urban education system.  It may work now, but later, union loyalty and veteran teachers will not be a guarantee.  And our children may depend on it.</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 16:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greenlight: Send an email to aarundell@uft.org ... Amy is the UFT expert on all things budget and the current freeze regs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greenlight: Send an email to <a href="mailto:aarundell@uft.org">aarundell@uft.org</a> &#8230; Amy is the UFT expert on all things budget and the current freeze regs.</p>
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		<title>By: Greenlight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greenlight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 22:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Victor:  sounds like you're in the same position I'm in.  I took an F-status position this year because I'd rather work part-time in a well-run school than full-time in a horribly-run school (a school that's about to be closed for poor performance, in fact).  I really wanted to stay in the system, whatever it took, and now not only is my school's administration forced to let me go ) even though they like me ("hiring freeze" is more like "forced firing" from our point of view) thanks to a quirk in the payroll, but I'm also subject to nasty words on other message boards from people who only know F-status as a way for older teachers and administrators to ride the gravy train into retirement.

Peter:  My contact at the local ISC says that F-status is _not_ "in the system".  Plus, my chapter leader says that while the situation sucks, the UFT won't go to bat for F-status teachers because not only do we not hold retention rights, but we're also supposedly taking jobs away from "real" teachers.  My dual certification and satisfactory tenure notwithstanding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Victor:  sounds like you&#8217;re in the same position I&#8217;m in.  I took an F-status position this year because I&#8217;d rather work part-time in a well-run school than full-time in a horribly-run school (a school that&#8217;s about to be closed for poor performance, in fact).  I really wanted to stay in the system, whatever it took, and now not only is my school&#8217;s administration forced to let me go ) even though they like me (&#8221;hiring freeze&#8221; is more like &#8220;forced firing&#8221; from our point of view) thanks to a quirk in the payroll, but I&#8217;m also subject to nasty words on other message boards from people who only know F-status as a way for older teachers and administrators to ride the gravy train into retirement.</p>
<p>Peter:  My contact at the local ISC says that F-status is _not_ &#8220;in the system&#8221;.  Plus, my chapter leader says that while the situation sucks, the UFT won&#8217;t go to bat for F-status teachers because not only do we not hold retention rights, but we&#8217;re also supposedly taking jobs away from &#8220;real&#8221; teachers.  My dual certification and satisfactory tenure notwithstanding.</p>
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		<title>By: Pogue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pogue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 21:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam, I sense a pissed-off tension, here.  ATR's have been teaching in the system for many years.  And, now they are shunned.  Make sure your anger is directed at Bloomberg, Klein, and Weingarten.  The obstacle to your being hired as a math teacher is most likely a young teacher who is contracted to teach for two years, then will leave.  The three above do not want career teachers who want to help children.  They want turnover.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam, I sense a pissed-off tension, here.  ATR&#8217;s have been teaching in the system for many years.  And, now they are shunned.  Make sure your anger is directed at Bloomberg, Klein, and Weingarten.  The obstacle to your being hired as a math teacher is most likely a young teacher who is contracted to teach for two years, then will leave.  The three above do not want career teachers who want to help children.  They want turnover.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 20:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've been a paraprofessional for 6 years and have just recently completed the final tequirements for me to teach high school math. Am I to assume with this freeze that the job I was originally hoping to find will now go to an ATR and I to return to another year with a garbage salary in September?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been a paraprofessional for 6 years and have just recently completed the final tequirements for me to teach high school math. Am I to assume with this freeze that the job I was originally hoping to find will now go to an ATR and I to return to another year with a garbage salary in September?</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2009/05/06/for-one-set-of-teachers-the-hiring-freeze-is-a-long-awaited-gift/comment-page-1/#comment-119317</link>
		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 15:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Victor

It is my understanding that since u are already "in the system" u can continue as an F status at the discretion of your principal ... who will receive their budget thus week ... if u are told otherwise u should contact the Boro UFT Office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Victor</p>
<p>It is my understanding that since u are already &#8220;in the system&#8221; u can continue as an F status at the discretion of your principal &#8230; who will receive their budget thus week &#8230; if u are told otherwise u should contact the Boro UFT Office.</p>
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		<title>By: Victor Jaroslaw</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2009/05/06/for-one-set-of-teachers-the-hiring-freeze-is-a-long-awaited-gift/comment-page-1/#comment-119314</link>
		<dc:creator>Victor Jaroslaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 15:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am one of those F-Status teachers who may be about to lose their jobs.  I teach science 4 days a week at an elementary school in Fort Greene.  I went on F-Status last year- voluntarily- to remain at a school I fiercely believed in, as they did not have the budget to support a science program full-time.  I gave up my job security as a regularly-appointed teacher- temporarily, I thought- because I figured my work would speak for itself.   It did; they love me at my school and I work collaboratively with all the classroom teachers.  (I also accepted a lower pay scale- figuring I could hang in there until a full time position opened up.)  Although I am a NYC Teaching Fellow (2006) who recently graduated Pace with a 4.0 GPA, and also a dues-paying member of the UFT, I am ironically now being told I am not part of the 'System.'  (What a strange 'system' it is.  The UFT and the DOE should both be trying to encourage some flexibility in work hours, especially in today's economic climate.)  

Another irony is that I was recruited to work in a 'school of need,' in an 'area of need' - both of which I've done; but because I tried to find a creative way to remain with those very same students, I now find myself being treated as if I never had worked there at all.  I understand the plight of the ATR's; but surely there must be some flexibility here.   Does a hiring freeze mean the system needs be frozen completely solid?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am one of those F-Status teachers who may be about to lose their jobs.  I teach science 4 days a week at an elementary school in Fort Greene.  I went on F-Status last year- voluntarily- to remain at a school I fiercely believed in, as they did not have the budget to support a science program full-time.  I gave up my job security as a regularly-appointed teacher- temporarily, I thought- because I figured my work would speak for itself.   It did; they love me at my school and I work collaboratively with all the classroom teachers.  (I also accepted a lower pay scale- figuring I could hang in there until a full time position opened up.)  Although I am a NYC Teaching Fellow (2006) who recently graduated Pace with a 4.0 GPA, and also a dues-paying member of the UFT, I am ironically now being told I am not part of the &#8216;System.&#8217;  (What a strange &#8217;system&#8217; it is.  The UFT and the DOE should both be trying to encourage some flexibility in work hours, especially in today&#8217;s economic climate.)  </p>
<p>Another irony is that I was recruited to work in a &#8217;school of need,&#8217; in an &#8216;area of need&#8217; - both of which I&#8217;ve done; but because I tried to find a creative way to remain with those very same students, I now find myself being treated as if I never had worked there at all.  I understand the plight of the ATR&#8217;s; but surely there must be some flexibility here.   Does a hiring freeze mean the system needs be frozen completely solid?</p>
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		<title>By: Greenlight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greenlight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 18:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's another devil in the details: F-status teachers are considered new hires for the purposes of next year, and schools must hire only full-time teachers. If an a school has, say, an F-status position for a concert band teacher because a full-time position isn't supported by the budget, and the budget isn't there for a full-time position by September, then both the concert band position and THE CONCERT BAND ITSELF DISAPPEARS. What a waste of money for a school to pay to support programs like dance, music, art, etc., sometime for 50 straight years, and then have it disappear because of a poorly-conceived catch-22. Outrageous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s another devil in the details: F-status teachers are considered new hires for the purposes of next year, and schools must hire only full-time teachers. If an a school has, say, an F-status position for a concert band teacher because a full-time position isn&#8217;t supported by the budget, and the budget isn&#8217;t there for a full-time position by September, then both the concert band position and THE CONCERT BAND ITSELF DISAPPEARS. What a waste of money for a school to pay to support programs like dance, music, art, etc., sometime for 50 straight years, and then have it disappear because of a poorly-conceived catch-22. Outrageous.</p>
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		<title>By: No Room at the Inn at The Core Knowledge Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>No Room at the Inn at The Core Knowledge Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 13:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In most cases, ATR teachers were working at schools that were shuttered or downsized. However, Gotham Schools notes a report by The New Teacher Project, which found that &#8220;teachers in the pool were six [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In most cases, ATR teachers were working at schools that were shuttered or downsized. However, Gotham Schools notes a report by The New Teacher Project, which found that &#8220;teachers in the pool were six [...]</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 23:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Principals will receive their budgets the week of May 18th ,,, with the exception 50% of staff in new schools that are in the staffing phase, principals can only hire currently the employed, there will be some license areas that will be designated as shortage areas (perhaps Special Education and science) and new teachers will be hired ... as we move from mid May trough the remainder of the school year and into the summer the situation be fluid ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Principals will receive their budgets the week of May 18th ,,, with the exception 50% of staff in new schools that are in the staffing phase, principals can only hire currently the employed, there will be some license areas that will be designated as shortage areas (perhaps Special Education and science) and new teachers will be hired &#8230; as we move from mid May trough the remainder of the school year and into the summer the situation be fluid &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: NewTeachingFellow</title>
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		<dc:creator>NewTeachingFellow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 23:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emily, I'm pretty sure, since they are not on the DOE payroll, that they are also banned from assuming new positions. There are people who were hired for new jobs in the city in early May whose offers have been rescinded since this announcement was made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emily, I&#8217;m pretty sure, since they are not on the DOE payroll, that they are also banned from assuming new positions. There are people who were hired for new jobs in the city in early May whose offers have been rescinded since this announcement was made.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 04:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What happens with NYC Partnership for Teacher Excellence graduates this year who aren't Teaching Fellows or TFA, but are required to pay back scholarships to NYU or CUNY if they don't find a job?  They're in the inbetween space where they're not alternative certification, but aren't already in the system either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happens with NYC Partnership for Teacher Excellence graduates this year who aren&#8217;t Teaching Fellows or TFA, but are required to pay back scholarships to NYU or CUNY if they don&#8217;t find a job?  They&#8217;re in the inbetween space where they&#8217;re not alternative certification, but aren&#8217;t already in the system either.</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 22:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand the small new schools may hire 50% new teacher(reported in the Daily news.) And Teach for America and other programs will NO LONGER guarantee to put teachers on the pyroll if they do not land a job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand the small new schools may hire 50% new teacher(reported in the Daily news.) And Teach for America and other programs will NO LONGER guarantee to put teachers on the pyroll if they do not land a job.</p>
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		<title>By: Eumenides</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eumenides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 19:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kudos to Wonkette and a shame-on-you to Philissa and Elizabeth for citing the The New Teacher Project report without some acknowledgement that their research is tainted. The NTP is a wholly owned subsidiary of Tweed--at least in the sense that its funding source is the DOE. Wonkette's wise reading of the footnote should have been in your story. Why do principals prefer newbies to ATRs, even when the playing field was levelled so that the cost of ATRs with higher salaries no longer comes out of the school's own budget? Because these young teachers are malleable.  Not to how a job should be done, only to how a principal wants it done, peccadilloes and all. How else explain the nearly 50 percent turnover among teachers in their first five years? Same for charter hiring. The enthusiasm and naivete of youth only goes so far. Then the wisdom sets in that that they are getting a screwing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kudos to Wonkette and a shame-on-you to Philissa and Elizabeth for citing the The New Teacher Project report without some acknowledgement that their research is tainted. The NTP is a wholly owned subsidiary of Tweed&#8211;at least in the sense that its funding source is the DOE. Wonkette&#8217;s wise reading of the footnote should have been in your story. Why do principals prefer newbies to ATRs, even when the playing field was levelled so that the cost of ATRs with higher salaries no longer comes out of the school&#8217;s own budget? Because these young teachers are malleable.  Not to how a job should be done, only to how a principal wants it done, peccadilloes and all. How else explain the nearly 50 percent turnover among teachers in their first five years? Same for charter hiring. The enthusiasm and naivete of youth only goes so far. Then the wisdom sets in that that they are getting a screwing.</p>
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		<title>By: eduwonkette</title>
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		<dc:creator>eduwonkette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 13:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A point of clarification on this point from the New Teacher Project's report that you cited, i.e. "By September 2007, unselected excessed teachers from 2006 were six times as likely to have received a prior “Unsatisfactory” rating as other New York City teachers."

If you read the footnotes in their report, 81 percent of teachers in the ATR have never received an Unsatisfactory rating. Only 6 percent of all teachers in the ATR - about 14 teachers - have received an unsatisfactory rating more than once in their careers.

Beyond these facts, I have no idea to what extent this pool represents great or terrible teachers, and the important point to remember is that no one really knows. It's not reasonable or fair to indict the entire group based on the very misleading "six times" TNTP sound bite. If someone else applied this kind of statistical discrimination to other groups - for example, by establishing the probability of an outcome like incarceration or welfare receipt by gender, class, or race and characterizing the entire group - we would all be up in arms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A point of clarification on this point from the New Teacher Project&#8217;s report that you cited, i.e. &#8220;By September 2007, unselected excessed teachers from 2006 were six times as likely to have received a prior “Unsatisfactory” rating as other New York City teachers.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you read the footnotes in their report, 81 percent of teachers in the ATR have never received an Unsatisfactory rating. Only 6 percent of all teachers in the ATR - about 14 teachers - have received an unsatisfactory rating more than once in their careers.</p>
<p>Beyond these facts, I have no idea to what extent this pool represents great or terrible teachers, and the important point to remember is that no one really knows. It&#8217;s not reasonable or fair to indict the entire group based on the very misleading &#8220;six times&#8221; TNTP sound bite. If someone else applied this kind of statistical discrimination to other groups - for example, by establishing the probability of an outcome like incarceration or welfare receipt by gender, class, or race and characterizing the entire group - we would all be up in arms.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 13:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Philissa has more explanation about TFA, Teaching Fellows on the way, but here's a useful excerpt from today's Times:

In 2008, the city hired 5,725 teachers, including about 2,000 rookie teachers from programs like Teach for America or the city’s Teaching Fellows program. Larry Becker, who oversees human resources for the school system, said the city expected a large enough demand in certain high-needs areas that it could still hire about half the number of teachers it usually does from Teach for America and the Teaching Fellows program.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/07/nyregion/07hiring.html?_r=1&#038;partner=rss&#038;emc=rss</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Philissa has more explanation about TFA, Teaching Fellows on the way, but here&#8217;s a useful excerpt from today&#8217;s Times:</p>
<p>In 2008, the city hired 5,725 teachers, including about 2,000 rookie teachers from programs like Teach for America or the city’s Teaching Fellows program. Larry Becker, who oversees human resources for the school system, said the city expected a large enough demand in certain high-needs areas that it could still hire about half the number of teachers it usually does from Teach for America and the Teaching Fellows program.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/07/nyregion/07hiring.html?_r=1&#038;partner=rss&#038;emc=rss" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/07/nyregion/07hiring.html?_r=1&#038;partner=rss&#038;emc=rss</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mr G</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 13:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The webcaast with the Chancellor indicated that fellows could NOT be hired at the current time and that the DOE was making no committment to hiring them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The webcaast with the Chancellor indicated that fellows could NOT be hired at the current time and that the DOE was making no committment to hiring them.</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 12:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As farr as Fellows and TFA, the DOE had already sharply reduced the cohort (Fellows from 3000 to 700 and TFA from 500 to 350) ... 

While the current 1400 ATRs will reduce in size the DOE bargaining demand: if you don't get placed in 18 months you get place in layoff .... will undoubted arise, as, I suspect there will teachers who re "left behind." The Contract ends in November, and, with all the other issues in the table upcoming negotiations have been on a backburner ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As farr as Fellows and TFA, the DOE had already sharply reduced the cohort (Fellows from 3000 to 700 and TFA from 500 to 350) &#8230; </p>
<p>While the current 1400 ATRs will reduce in size the DOE bargaining demand: if you don&#8217;t get placed in 18 months you get place in layoff &#8230;. will undoubted arise, as, I suspect there will teachers who re &#8220;left behind.&#8221; The Contract ends in November, and, with all the other issues in the table upcoming negotiations have been on a backburner &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Norm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 12:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pogue is right-on about the UFT.

Posted at the ed notes blog. 

Klein Gives Up the ATR Ghost

The bad economy has accomplished what rallies and UFT ineptness has not. The NY Times is reporting Joel Klein has ordered principals to hire ATRs before any new teachers. Thanks for listening Joel to the demands of the Grassroots Education Movement a week before our rally. Now it's time to restore teacher seniority rights. We'll send you a list of our other demands. Or just look outside your office next Thursday.

The rub in the Times report is this statement:

    Anticipating significant budget cuts to New York City schools in the coming year, Chancellor Joel I. Klein ordered principals on Wednesday to stop hiring teachers from outside the system, a move that will force them to look internally at a pool that, according to an independent report, includes many subpar teachers.

    The report, released last year by the New Teacher Project, which recruits and trains educators for school systems, estimated that the pool cost the city $81 million over two years.


Independent? The New Teacher Project is independent? What are people at the NY Times drinking? Have they looked at the funding sources of the New Teacher Project, founded incidentally by anti-union attack dog Michelle Rhee? Did the Times think to report on the amount of contracts the NTP gets from Klein to train new teachers, funding they may now lose if there are no new teachers to be hired? Is there just a tad of a conflict of interest with this "independent" report?

    Timothy Daly, who runs the New Teacher Project, said he was worried that principals would no longer be able to find the best fits for their schools. “Schools are going to have great teachers who they would like to hire, who they won’t be able to hire,” Mr. Daly said. “It can’t be best for kids.”


Sniff, sniff. I'm weeping. Sure Tim. It's all about what's best for the kids.

Shame on reporter Javier Hernandez and the editors at the Times and for tainting 1100 ATRs. But we always knew they had a dog in this race.

Maybe GEM should march on to the NY Times after finishing up at Tweed on May 14.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pogue is right-on about the UFT.</p>
<p>Posted at the ed notes blog. </p>
<p>Klein Gives Up the ATR Ghost</p>
<p>The bad economy has accomplished what rallies and UFT ineptness has not. The NY Times is reporting Joel Klein has ordered principals to hire ATRs before any new teachers. Thanks for listening Joel to the demands of the Grassroots Education Movement a week before our rally. Now it&#8217;s time to restore teacher seniority rights. We&#8217;ll send you a list of our other demands. Or just look outside your office next Thursday.</p>
<p>The rub in the Times report is this statement:</p>
<p>    Anticipating significant budget cuts to New York City schools in the coming year, Chancellor Joel I. Klein ordered principals on Wednesday to stop hiring teachers from outside the system, a move that will force them to look internally at a pool that, according to an independent report, includes many subpar teachers.</p>
<p>    The report, released last year by the New Teacher Project, which recruits and trains educators for school systems, estimated that the pool cost the city $81 million over two years.</p>
<p>Independent? The New Teacher Project is independent? What are people at the NY Times drinking? Have they looked at the funding sources of the New Teacher Project, founded incidentally by anti-union attack dog Michelle Rhee? Did the Times think to report on the amount of contracts the NTP gets from Klein to train new teachers, funding they may now lose if there are no new teachers to be hired? Is there just a tad of a conflict of interest with this &#8220;independent&#8221; report?</p>
<p>    Timothy Daly, who runs the New Teacher Project, said he was worried that principals would no longer be able to find the best fits for their schools. “Schools are going to have great teachers who they would like to hire, who they won’t be able to hire,” Mr. Daly said. “It can’t be best for kids.”</p>
<p>Sniff, sniff. I&#8217;m weeping. Sure Tim. It&#8217;s all about what&#8217;s best for the kids.</p>
<p>Shame on reporter Javier Hernandez and the editors at the Times and for tainting 1100 ATRs. But we always knew they had a dog in this race.</p>
<p>Maybe GEM should march on to the NY Times after finishing up at Tweed on May 14.</p>
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		<title>By: KitchenSink</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 10:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not completely understanding; does this decision mean that the DOE will not be hiring ANY Teach For America, Teaching Fellows, etc.?  Or is it that once the dust clears and all those people are placed, THEN principals have to go to ATRs to fill vacancies?  The former seems really unlikely, but the latter is not obvious in the announcement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not completely understanding; does this decision mean that the DOE will not be hiring ANY Teach For America, Teaching Fellows, etc.?  Or is it that once the dust clears and all those people are placed, THEN principals have to go to ATRs to fill vacancies?  The former seems really unlikely, but the latter is not obvious in the announcement.</p>
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