Comments on: Fact-Checking the Educational Equality Project Fact Sheet http://gothamschools.org/2009/04/03/fact-checking-the-educational-equality-project-fact-sheet/ Fri, 10 Feb 2012 05:27:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Issac Maez http://gothamschools.org/2009/04/03/fact-checking-the-educational-equality-project-fact-sheet/comment-page-1/#comment-274483 Issac Maez Wed, 23 Jun 2010 18:22:40 +0000 http://gothamschools.org/?p=12408#comment-274483 Hi,just found your Blog when i google something and wonder what web hosting do you use for your web site,the speed is more faster than my website, i really need to know it.will back to check it out,thanks! Hi,just found your Blog when i google something and wonder what web hosting do you use for your web site,the speed is more faster than my website, i really need to know it.will back to check it out,thanks!

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]]> By: Eeinna ''Warrior ADVOCATE'' http://gothamschools.org/2009/04/03/fact-checking-the-educational-equality-project-fact-sheet/comment-page-1/#comment-251965 Eeinna ''Warrior ADVOCATE'' Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:44:38 +0000 http://gothamschools.org/?p=12408#comment-251965 Dear Ellin Winn, Can we stop the bull crap and the time waisting. Here sits a parent who has exposed whats really at work in the RACIST NY SCHOOLS. You see, you say that we as parents are not coming to the meetings. You can't say that we don't discuss school on a day to day basis with our children. You cannot say that our children are low achievers in fact they are high achievers. We beg to volunteer in the school when you can't get passed the front door. In this county (orange) BLACK AND LATINO parents are stopped at the door. Not even invited to celebrate our childrens birthdays with them in the classroom. In this school our son who is perfectly behaved, who never misses a homework, who is never late for school has to fight for every grade. His teachers ''lose'' his homework bringing his grades down. Apparently to keep him from competing with the kids they want in the top. Otherwise there is no excuse. Lets not forget that there are no sports opportunities for him here and they kept him off JV basketball when he is a natural born athlete. This year when he was ready they kept the basketball sign up day deadline a COMPLETE secret. He never knew when the day came. Oh did I mention he one of 2 Black kida in the school? IF YOU WANT CHANGE LET ME AND THESE KIDS SPEAK! Dear Ellin Winn,

Can we stop the bull crap and the time waisting. Here sits a parent who has exposed whats really at work in the RACIST NY SCHOOLS. You see, you say that we as parents are not coming to the meetings. You can’t say that we don’t discuss school on a day to day basis with our children. You cannot say that our children are low achievers in fact they are high achievers. We beg to volunteer in the school when you can’t get passed the front door. In this county (orange) BLACK AND LATINO parents are stopped at the door. Not even invited to celebrate our childrens birthdays with them in the classroom. In this school our son who is perfectly behaved, who never misses a homework, who is never late for school has to fight for every grade. His teachers ”lose” his homework bringing his grades down. Apparently to keep him from competing with the kids they want in the top. Otherwise there is no excuse. Lets not forget that there are no sports opportunities for him here and they kept him off JV basketball when he is a natural born athlete. This year when he was ready they kept the basketball sign up day deadline a COMPLETE secret. He never knew when the day came. Oh did I mention he one of 2 Black kida in the school? IF YOU WANT CHANGE LET ME AND THESE KIDS SPEAK!

]]> By: Michael Holzman http://gothamschools.org/2009/04/03/fact-checking-the-educational-equality-project-fact-sheet/comment-page-1/#comment-127528 Michael Holzman Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:28:44 +0000 http://gothamschools.org/?p=12408#comment-127528 Incarceration rates for Hispanics and White non-Hispanics coordinate with education levels. Incarceration rates for Black, non-Hispanics are much higher and do not coordinate with education levels. They are an artifact of drug arrests, which, given fairly equal drug usage rates among race/ethnicities, are an artifact of disparate police enforcement policies and court practices. Statistic on this are available from the Bureau of Justice Statistics, the CDC and Human Rights Watch. Incarceration rates for Hispanics and White non-Hispanics coordinate with education levels. Incarceration rates for Black, non-Hispanics are much higher and do not coordinate with education levels. They are an artifact of drug arrests, which, given fairly equal drug usage rates among race/ethnicities, are an artifact of disparate police enforcement policies and court practices. Statistic on this are available from the Bureau of Justice Statistics, the CDC and Human Rights Watch.

]]> By: Caroline http://gothamschools.org/2009/04/03/fact-checking-the-educational-equality-project-fact-sheet/comment-page-1/#comment-127524 Caroline Tue, 02 Jun 2009 16:49:42 +0000 http://gothamschools.org/?p=12408#comment-127524 Anon, that's not evidence; that's a quote giving secondhand information, with no backup, data or detail whatsoever. Anon, that’s not evidence; that’s a quote giving secondhand information, with no backup, data or detail whatsoever.

]]> By: Anonymous http://gothamschools.org/2009/04/03/fact-checking-the-educational-equality-project-fact-sheet/comment-page-1/#comment-127515 Anonymous Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:43:12 +0000 http://gothamschools.org/?p=12408#comment-127515 Please note that there is in fact strong evidence that elementary school reading scores are used to predict the future need for prisons. "Based on this year's fourth-grade reading scores," observes Paul Schwartz, a Coalition principal in residence at the U. S. Department of Education, "California is already planning the number of new prison cells it will need in the next century." http://www.essentialschools.org/cs/resources/view/ces_res/114 Before you attack an organization fighting to close the achievement gap, such as the Education Equality Project, (a cause I think we can all agree is critical) please check your facts. Please note that there is in fact strong evidence that elementary school reading scores are used to predict the future need for prisons.

“Based on this year’s fourth-grade reading scores,” observes Paul Schwartz, a Coalition principal in residence at the U. S. Department of Education, “California is already planning the number of new prison cells it will need in the next century.”

http://www.essentialschools.org/cs/resources/view/ces_res/114 Before you attack an organization fighting to close the achievement gap, such as the Education Equality Project, (a cause I think we can all agree is critical) please check your facts.

]]> By: Aaron Pallas http://gothamschools.org/2009/04/03/fact-checking-the-educational-equality-project-fact-sheet/comment-page-1/#comment-89310 Aaron Pallas Mon, 06 Apr 2009 00:54:16 +0000 http://gothamschools.org/?p=12408#comment-89310 Michael, I apologize if it appeared that I was questioning the data in the Schott Foundation report. I simply couldn't verify the data based on what was stated in the report. The report stated that "Diploma statistics are from districts or state departments of education, or estimated as indicated in the notes to the tables." I couldn't find district or state reports on diploma statistics specifically for Black males. With a bit more digging, I think the report was relying on the 2003-04 Common Core of Data LEA Universe Survey, which does report counts of non-Hispanic Black male diploma recipients. The more recent data on Detroit, reported by the state of Michigan, and Atlanta (which, as you note, combines males and females when there is reason to believe that completion rates are much lower for males) suggest that the high school completion rates may have risen since 2003-04. I'll look forward to your next report to see if that's the case. Michael,
I apologize if it appeared that I was questioning the data in the Schott Foundation report. I simply couldn’t verify the data based on what was stated in the report. The report stated that “Diploma
statistics are from districts or state departments of education, or estimated as indicated in the notes to the
tables.” I couldn’t find district or state reports on diploma statistics specifically for Black males. With a bit more digging, I think the report was relying on the 2003-04 Common Core of Data LEA Universe Survey, which does report counts of non-Hispanic Black male diploma recipients.
The more recent data on Detroit, reported by the state of Michigan, and Atlanta (which, as you note, combines males and females when there is reason to believe that completion rates are much lower for males) suggest that the high school completion rates may have risen since 2003-04. I’ll look forward to your next report to see if that’s the case.

]]> By: Michael Holzman http://gothamschools.org/2009/04/03/fact-checking-the-educational-equality-project-fact-sheet/comment-page-1/#comment-89286 Michael Holzman Sun, 05 Apr 2009 23:55:14 +0000 http://gothamschools.org/?p=12408#comment-89286 Dear Mr. Pallas, To follow-up, you say that in regard to the Schott data, for which I am responsible, "The state of Michigan reported an on-time graduation rate of 48% for Black males for the 2007 cohort of graduates." The Schott data is for Detroit, not Michigan, for 2004, not 2007. Similarly, you state that "Georgia reported a 67% graduation rate for Black students (male and female combined) in Atlanta in 2007." Combining male and female rates is not good practice, as there are wide differences between them; 2007 data is not 2004 data, and you do not give the basis for the state of Georgia's graduation rate calculations, which are not necessarily the four year cohort rates used by Schott. You do not comment on Indianapolis. All the Schott data is based on NCES publicly available statistics and easily verified. This does not affect your main point, but it is good to be careful in these matters. Sincerely, Michael Holzman Dear Mr. Pallas,

To follow-up, you say that in regard to the Schott data, for which I am responsible, “The state of Michigan reported an on-time graduation rate of 48% for Black males for the 2007 cohort of graduates.” The Schott data is for Detroit, not Michigan, for 2004, not 2007. Similarly, you state that “Georgia reported a 67% graduation rate for Black students (male and female combined) in Atlanta in 2007.” Combining male and female rates is not good practice, as there are wide differences between them; 2007 data is not 2004 data, and you do not give the basis for the state of Georgia’s graduation rate calculations, which are not necessarily the four year cohort rates used by Schott. You do not comment on Indianapolis. All the Schott data is based on NCES publicly available statistics and easily verified.

This does not affect your main point, but it is good to be careful in these matters.

Sincerely,

Michael Holzman

]]> By: Sunday links. « Fred Klonsky’s blog http://gothamschools.org/2009/04/03/fact-checking-the-educational-equality-project-fact-sheet/comment-page-1/#comment-89158 Sunday links. « Fred Klonsky’s blog Sun, 05 Apr 2009 16:53:51 +0000 http://gothamschools.org/?p=12408#comment-89158 [...] Schools’ Aaron Pallas fact checks the Education Equality Project and they come out short. [...] [...] Schools’ Aaron Pallas fact checks the Education Equality Project and they come out short. [...]

]]> By: Michael Holzman http://gothamschools.org/2009/04/03/fact-checking-the-educational-equality-project-fact-sheet/comment-page-1/#comment-88270 Michael Holzman Fri, 03 Apr 2009 18:52:53 +0000 http://gothamschools.org/?p=12408#comment-88270 I would be happy to discuss the Schott data if you are interested. I would be happy to discuss the Schott data if you are interested.

]]> By: Bill Betzen http://gothamschools.org/2009/04/03/fact-checking-the-educational-equality-project-fact-sheet/comment-page-1/#comment-88137 Bill Betzen Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:09:30 +0000 http://gothamschools.org/?p=12408#comment-88137 It is very good to see people checking facts related to educational achievement here in the US. We have done far too little of that over the past 40 years. Here in Dallas we had paid school district staff speaking in public as recently as 2006 about "dropout rates" below 2%. The strange source of their numbers is not the issue. The issue is that the CPI real rate has not been above 50% for our Cumulative Promotion Index in the past 11 years except once in 2004-2005. In 2005-2006 it then fell over 10 points! Bottom line is we must do something differently. We are doing it with a spreading project to focus students onto their own futures in a simple, credible manner that is popular: a 10-year time-capsule and 8th grade class reunion project. This $2 per student project appears to be helping cut the 9th to 10th grade attrition rate by over 26%. See details at www.studentmotivation.org. It is very good to see people checking facts related to educational achievement here in the US. We have done far too little of that over the past 40 years. Here in Dallas we had paid school district staff speaking in public as recently as 2006 about “dropout rates” below 2%. The strange source of their numbers is not the issue. The issue is that the CPI real rate has not been above 50% for our Cumulative Promotion Index in the past 11 years except once in 2004-2005. In 2005-2006 it then fell over 10 points!
Bottom line is we must do something differently. We are doing it with a spreading project to focus students onto their own futures in a simple, credible manner that is popular: a 10-year time-capsule and 8th grade class reunion project. This $2 per student project appears to be helping cut the 9th to 10th grade attrition rate by over 26%. See details at http://www.studentmotivation.org.

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