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New gifted programs add outer-borough options for high scorers

When results of the Department of Education’s screening for gifted and talented programs came out last year, parents of qualifying children had two major complaints: that the ultra-elite programs were all located in Manhattan, and that some districts didn’t have gifted kindergarten classes.

Today, the department revealed the locations of three new programs reserved for the highest-scoring children throughout the city; All three are in Brooklyn and Queens. And back in October, before screening for the programs even started, the DOE announced that all district gifted programs would now begin in kindergarten.

I became familiar with parents’ complaints last year because I was then blogging at Insideschools.org, the site that many parents use to research schools. My posts about gifted and talented admissions got hundreds of comments, such as this one:

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The three programs announced today could double the number of seats in citywide gifted programs, depending on whether families choose to enroll in them. But that would still mean that fewer than half of the children qualifying for the programs last year could be accommodated.

To be eligible for a citywide program, children must score at the 97th percentile or higher on two nationally normed assessments, called the Bracken and the OLSAT. Last year, 978 children had scores that made them eligible for the three programs, located on the Lower East Side, on the Upper West Side, and in East Harlem. But the programs only had about 200 seats to offer.

Unlike the existing citywide schools, two of the new programs won’t have principals of their own. Instead, they are going to replace district programs operating out of two elementary schools, PS 20 in the Clinton Hill section of Brooklyn and PS 85 in Astoria, Queens. The third new citywide program, the Brooklyn School of Inquiry, will have its own principal and will open in a brand-new building in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn.

The locations were chosen because the schools have room for new programs and because they are near public transportation, according to DOE spokesman Andrew Jacob. “We wanted them to be convenient for as many families as possible,” he said. In fact, Insideschools notes that the worst thing about PS 85 is that the elevated N and W trains run outside its windows.

In 2010, the DOE plans to open additional citywide gifted programs in the Bronx and Staten Island. This fall, high-scoring children in those boroughs will still have to commute if their families want them to attend a citywide program.

  • Dahlia Johnson

    Does anyone know if the new schools when they expand beyond K and 1 will be adding older grades or just increasing one grade at a time? My son is a current 1st grader. He was accepted by NEST+M for K, but I decided not to send him since the commute would have been way too long. I would love to be able to see him find a place at one of the new schools in Brooklyn, but it’s not clear if there would be any spots available for any older children.

  • District 13 mom

    I’m very sorry to hear that the announcement doesn’t include more gifted and talented programs at the middle school level, which is greatly needed in the outer boroughs. Does anyone know if the Arts and Letters school will be staying at PS 20? In other words, will they have three schools now in the PS 20 building?

  • ceolaf

    When did gifted shift from the top 1% to the top 3%?

  • http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/30/education/30kindergarten.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1 Michael M.

    ceolaf:
    Oct 29, 2007. (See link to NYT article.)

    Also note that G&T cut-off has since morphed from 95th to 90th percentile for district-level programs. (I complained at the time that the bar was lowered after-the-fact for kids who had already taken the test, but there was no retest for those who had not.)

    Next, what am I missing? Top 3% of 1,000,000 kids is… 30,000 seats. Six schools? Are there few-than-national-rate NYC kids scoring in the national top 3%? Are there so many NYC parents who flat out don’t prefer such programs?

    Dahlia: I can’t answer straight up re how they’re going to grow the schools (“expand in future years” implies, per DOE’s typical new school practice, one grade added per year as the first crop grows up), but I know that PS77 complained that DOE did not keep a waiting list. Last, I believe, but do not know, that your son would have to re-test for the grade he’s trying to enter.

  • proud parent

    my son scored 99% this year and there are no seats in NEST for first grade and only 25 @ Anderson this city needs to be able to accodate its’ really gifted students before it lowers the bar. Why no citywide programs in the Bronx? Plyus district 3 schools are all very good these students will be very much challenged in their zoned schools Let’s not forget most all G&T school were once good regular schools

  • stacey

    what is the point anyway. My son is counting dots in his “gifted” 1st grade class and learning 3 letter words while he is doing long division and reading the ny times. It is a joke.

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