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Rhee: Bloomberg asked Klein to bring her red/green plan to NYC

Michelle Rhee touted her red-track/green-track teacher pay proposal last night at Pace University, saying it’s made such a splash that Mayor Bloomberg asked Chancellor Joel Klein if they could bring a similar model to New York. The proposal, which is being negotiated with the D.C. teachers union right now, would award some first-year teachers nearly $40,000 raises in exchange for giving up their tenure rights — while others could choose a “red” path where they retain tenure but are paid less.

Rhee said the model came up in a recent chat with Klein, who she said she speaks to regularly to share “best practices” and to commiserate. Klein told her that Mayor Bloomberg had asked if they could bring the red/green plan to New York. “Apparently Klein said to him, ‘Not even you have enough money to do all of that in New York City,’” she said. Rhee’s plan, if passed, will be financed by private philanthropy for the first five years, she said.

A spokesman for the Department of Education, David Cantor, said the story is true.

Rhee spent part of her talk referencing the divide within the Democratic Party, where some education experts argue focus should be on improving schools and schools alone and others push for a broader focus. Rhee, who is firmly in the first camp, along with Klein, explained her objections to the second group by describing her experience as a second-year teacher.

“People say all the time you know, oh, children, if they don’t have proper health care and they don’t have proper nutrition and they don’t have their parents helping them with their homework, they’re never going to be able to be successful,” she said. “With these kids, my kids, their neighborhoods did not change, who their parents were did not change, the violence in the community did not change, their diets did not change. What changed were the adults who were in front of them every single day in school. And that made every bit of difference.”

Rhee got a warm reception at Pace, where many in the audience were young teachers in the Teach For America and Teaching Fellows programs. The teachers seemed especially grateful when Rhee agreed with their criticisms of policies like testing students still learning English in English, rather than Spanish, and test-prepping, which Rhee said she works to avoid by educating principals to set good examples at their schools.

She also laid out her plan for a teacher evaluation system, set to begin next school year, that will look not only at test scores but also use third-party evaluators to conduct observations and require teachers and principals to work together to set goals for their entire school.

Rhee said she intended to come to Pace and recruit all the teachers to come work for her in D.C., but hesitated when she saw that Pace is just a few blocks away from Tweed Courthouse, Klein’s headquarters. “When I realized that, I felt a twinge of guilt,” she said, laughing. “But now I’m over it.”

One question from the audience dealt with mayoral control. The questioner asked whether Rhee thought someone should add “checks and balances” to her authority, asking what would happen if a new mayor and chancellor came to D.C. and she didn’t agree with them.

Rhee replied by explaining that she would never have taken the job if the D.C. mayor, Adrian Fenty, had not had total control of the schools and given her 100% encouragement. “The answer ultimately is how do we get more people like Adrian Fenty into office,” she said.

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  • spare me

    I don’t think my colleagues and I make excuses for our students who don’t have adequate health care (never mind the students in my class who need eyeglasses), or the kids who are neglected, abused, etc. But it’s naive and short sighted to think that overlooking these things will make the students learn.

  • Smith

    I’m deeply suspicious of anyone who claims to have been a miracle worker in just her second year of teaching. I’m also suspicious of anyone who lasted only two years as a teacher before becoming an administrator.

  • chris

    It’s funny how people are skeptical of anyone who is working hard and making a difference. One year is all you need to make a difference. She never claimed miracles. Go Rhee! She’s doing everything she can to make change in a school system that has been extremely dysfunctional for a long time.

  • Smith

    It’s funny how some people are so seduced by union bashing that their critical faculties seem to disappear.

  • Ellen McHugh

    How come no one in NYC can take the time to praise anything about our system? i know there are good schools and good programs out there but we are all so busy being snarky or obsequious that we can’t, or won’t, cooperate. Michele Rhee isn’t the Chancellor here, Klein is…. and there is no one size fits all type of education. The grass ain’t greener in DC or Chicago or LA or Houston. It’s just different grass (you should pardon the reference/pun). It’s as if we had all decided to eat our young.

    And people should identify themselves instead of hiding behind a smoke screen of names

  • Chris

    I agree Ellen. Klein and Rhee are both making great strides. Their heart is for children and both are doing their best to make it about children.

  • http://nyceducator.com NYC Educator

    Me too. Every day as I sit in my trailer with 34 kids behind the 250% capacity school Chancellor Klein has created, I think of his wonderful work.

    And I love Michelle Rhee too, despite her utter lack of accomplishment and her complete inability to substantiate any of her claims about what happened during the five minutes she was a classroom teacher. You go girl!

  • Pogue

    Rhee-organize, Rhee-proach, Rhee-voke, Rhee-nege, Rhee-venge, Rhee-vile, Rhee-diculous.

  • Ellen McHugh

    Please don’t take my remarks as support of Rhee or of Klein. My remarks were directed to the constant bashing of teachers, students, staff and parents that occur on all sides. There are many educators and parents with strategies for success. We need to hear them.

    But surely those who are in leadership roles should be able to lead, to lay down whatever stones they want to throw, to communicate better with parents, to bring people together to change what the general public sees as failure. This is rapidly becoming a rich versus poor town, an us versus them town. Education is the great leveler. The leadership of our DOE has made it clear to the public that they think no one knows better than they do. This leadership has managed to push away and silence the public voice for education.

    Both Rhee and Klein are laser focused on unions as the cause of all that is wrong with schools. Look around. In other nations there are teacher and administrator unions with rules and structures similar to ours. How come they have passed us by? Why is the US always at the bottom of the barrel? maybe it’s leadership? Or the lack thereof?

  • Chris

    I would love to hear about those countries that have unions and systems that have passed us by and my question would be, do those countries educate ALL children or only the rich? Ellen, can you give me some specific examples?

    As much as people want to protect the unions, there is a lot that needs to be changed within the unions and if you can’t admit that, then you are living in a surreal world.

    My good friend is a teacher in the Bronx. For the past three years she has raised the test scores of her students by an average of 20%. How? By spending time with them before and after school and making sure they understand math! And what happens? The union rep within her school constantly criticizes her and tells her that she needs to stop the after school tutoring until she is paid more for it.

    I’m sorry that I’m not a fan of the unions, but this is not the only story that I have heard where union reps are trying to impede student progress.

    If you truly believe that education is the great leveler than you would be rallying behind anyone who is saying that all children can learn and is making changes to that end. Unions are saying that tests are too hard and offering excuses instead of solutions.

  • Pogue

    Work more, work more, work, work, work! And after going in early and staying late, make sure you grade all those tests and projects at home, oh, and don’t forget to create those lesson plans, too. Have a family? Want time for your own life’s enjoyments? Forget it. Your job comes first. Don’t be a lazy union worker. Unions are what’s wrong with this country. Unions are the cause of the financial crisis we’re mired in. You have a job, teacher, do it, and make sure you’re doing it from dawn till dusk and beyond. Those who attack unions are attacking the middle class, and those who attack the middle class make me sick. Thank goodness I have a decent union health plan to deal with that sickness.

  • Ellen McHugh

    It is not protectionist to say we need unions. It’s honest. Besides, you beg the question. Education is the job of the community…all members of the community:parents, teachers, administrators and even Chancellors. Some of those members belong to unions and some do not. Working together as a team is the obligation of all of the members of the community. Pointing fingers at one another, putting the whole blame on one section of the community, is ridiculous, childish.

    For every story your good friend in the Bronx has, there is a counterpoint. We are wasting time. We are wasting kids. We are adults and we are obliged to work towards improving eduction for children.

    Try France, Germany and Sweden.

  • Amy

    As the political winds change, so will Michelle Rhee. Indeed she already is attempting to soften her approach. The forces that created and encouraged Rhee – the advocates of unregulated capitalism and corporate involvement in all public institutions have bankrupted our country.
    As Rhee finds herself without her political and financial backers, like the bully in the schoolyard whose buddies abandon them, she will calm down and eventually disappear.

    She is merely a puppet.

    It has never been about children for Rhee, but rather about forwarding a philosophy which is growing increasingly unpopular.

    I give her a year before she is gone.

  • Chris

    Germany’s education rates at the same level as the US and sometimes lower in various studies. France has similar problems to the US in that there are bad schools that students from certain communities (i.e. poor) MUST attend with no way to escape. Sweden’s secondary school (i.e. anything after 9th grade) is not compulsory. I don’t think these are great examples of reform although there are lessons to be learned everywhere.

    I am not saying that the unions are the only place to put the blame and maybe that’s where the conflict is, but I like to recognize when there are valid attempts at reform. Do we really want to go back the way NYC did education ten years ago?

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  • Smith

    Chris, I have a friend that teaches at a successful school that has a union. So that makes us even in the anecdote department. Do you have data that backs up your opinion about unions? Do the non-union states have better school systems? Can you explain how the unions impede the progress of students in our wealthy suburbs?

  • Chris

    Unfortunately there has not been a lot of research around this topic. There have been some studies in California that did not do much to prove either side, but this is an issue that has not been widely researched over all. Studies that are being done are about teacher quality and how students benefit when their teachers are excellent.

    I am looking at this from a hyper local context, in that I work in schools in NYC in underserved communities such as the Bronx and Washington Heights. I know that there are places where tenured non-performing teachers are housed all day. They read the paper, play cards, etc….Principals have to fight to give poor teachers unsatisfactory ratings, and teachers have to receive three unsatisfactory ratings before they can be removed. That’s three years where a bad teacher continues to work in school. For a middle school student, that’s their entire middle school career. Three years of a bad teacher and they are now going to high school unprepared. I know that I work with several students who receive xeroxed spelling lists from their teachers where words are spelled incorrectly. I have to show these students in a dictionary that these words are not spelled correctly. What about the other students in the class whose parents don’t speak English and can’t make the corrections? I know these stories sound made up, but they’re not. It’s great when good teachers are protected, but if the bad teachers are also being protected, then yes, I think the unions need some fixin’. The kids do not deserve this.

  • http://southbronxtschool.blogspot.com A Teacher In The Bronx

    Don’t go for it Randi, it’s a trap!!!

  • Smith

    I hate to say this Chris, but it does sound made up or exaggerated. I worked in a school that was shut down and we had a very dedicated staff for the most part. If you’re not making it up, you’re describing schools that are poorly managed. For bottom-feeder middle schools the big problem is retention. Their teachers tend to be much less experienced and often quit or move on to better schools. They need a stronger union that can create better working conditions for them (though I do fault Weingarten for not doing enough for new teachers).

  • Mary

    Did she mention that it’s been over 6 months since she proposed the two tier system and the union took a poll of members showing they were against it 2 to 1?

    Did she mention she’s still in negotiations with the union and the union is not considering the two tier system?

    Did she mention that just three days before making this speech at Pace, she wrote an editorial in the Post saying for the first time that she didn’t blame teachers for students’ poor achievement?

    Part of me is stunned that she would go to Pace a few days later and make her same old stale pitch about how all it takes is a good teacher. Then I remind myself that this is Michelle Rhee, who posed on the Cover of Time dressed in black and holding a broom and I realize that she is shameless.

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