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		<title>By: cris</title>
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		<dc:creator>cris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 21:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think this cut it is horrible for the students and the good teachers .get rid of the bad teachers  and have the good teachers and who  could retire ,should retire .the kids will suffer with this cut larger classes and how are they are going to learn it is terrible what our government is doing to the system .i though education came first kids do not know why to read write cut other things that are not need in the school .please stop this cut and fire the really bad teachers our kids should not suffer and the good educators</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think this cut it is horrible for the students and the good teachers .get rid of the bad teachers  and have the good teachers and who  could retire ,should retire .the kids will suffer with this cut larger classes and how are they are going to learn it is terrible what our government is doing to the system .i though education came first kids do not know why to read write cut other things that are not need in the school .please stop this cut and fire the really bad teachers our kids should not suffer and the good educators</p>
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		<title>By: How do we get a Government Bailout for our Kids? &#171; CRI515 in America</title>
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		<dc:creator>How do we get a Government Bailout for our Kids? &#171; CRI515 in America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] closing of more local schools. This seems to be the norm everywhere: Michigan, Indiana, Wisconsin, New York, Seattle, and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: norm</title>
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		<dc:creator>norm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 23:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, Socrates who once claimed to be a nyc teacher for 10 or was it 30 years until real teachers challenged his nonsense? Who leaves his little anti teacher nuggets all all over the web. When challenged to show the educational success stories of states with no tenure he turns mute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, Socrates who once claimed to be a nyc teacher for 10 or was it 30 years until real teachers challenged his nonsense? Who leaves his little anti teacher nuggets all all over the web. When challenged to show the educational success stories of states with no tenure he turns mute.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Socrates has hit the nail on the head and the 4th estate should uses its access to push Randi for an answer on this.  

Teachers with more experience are not better or worse at their craft only because of their experience. The more recent hires are not always less expensive or more motivated.  

But through its influence with the state legislature and in the collective bargaining agreement, the UFT have insured that no individual judgment at all will be exercised, and that outside data shall never be used.  

Not by the Board of Ed, not by the principals at the individual schools, and certainly never by the parents of the students in whose classes Ms. Weingarten&#039;s members work. 

How this puts the interests of the children first is beyond me.  But then as Randi&#039;s predecessor Albert Shanker once said about kids; “they don’t pay the dues in this union.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Socrates has hit the nail on the head and the 4th estate should uses its access to push Randi for an answer on this.  </p>
<p>Teachers with more experience are not better or worse at their craft only because of their experience. The more recent hires are not always less expensive or more motivated.  </p>
<p>But through its influence with the state legislature and in the collective bargaining agreement, the UFT have insured that no individual judgment at all will be exercised, and that outside data shall never be used.  </p>
<p>Not by the Board of Ed, not by the principals at the individual schools, and certainly never by the parents of the students in whose classes Ms. Weingarten&#8217;s members work. </p>
<p>How this puts the interests of the children first is beyond me.  But then as Randi&#8217;s predecessor Albert Shanker once said about kids; “they don’t pay the dues in this union.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Socrates</title>
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		<dc:creator>Socrates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 13:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randi really has no shame.  She&#039;s claiming we&#039;re going to lose great teachers if we cut 15,000 jobs, but if she was worried about that she would abolish tenure and seniority, which would allow the DOE to get rid of the worst 15,000 teachers they have.  And there are more than 15,000 mediocre-to-bad teachers in NYC.

She&#039;s right that we&#039;ll lose great teachers, but it&#039;s because they have to fire the least experienced, who aren&#039;t always the worst.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randi really has no shame.  She&#8217;s claiming we&#8217;re going to lose great teachers if we cut 15,000 jobs, but if she was worried about that she would abolish tenure and seniority, which would allow the DOE to get rid of the worst 15,000 teachers they have.  And there are more than 15,000 mediocre-to-bad teachers in NYC.</p>
<p>She&#8217;s right that we&#8217;ll lose great teachers, but it&#8217;s because they have to fire the least experienced, who aren&#8217;t always the worst.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 13:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The students in NY will really suffer from this cut.  Larger class sizes don&#039;t seem to be the answer.  What about cutting administrative costs?  Schools have investing a great deal of money training these teachers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The students in NY will really suffer from this cut.  Larger class sizes don&#8217;t seem to be the answer.  What about cutting administrative costs?  Schools have investing a great deal of money training these teachers.</p>
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		<title>By: Norm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 13:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has Randi no Shame? Fight? I mean really fight? Hold a rally and lobby. And pray. While there was money conditions deteriorated.

Below is a response written by Vera to a letter Randi sent out that I posted on Ed Notes. She uses quotes from Randi&#039;s letter

And be sure to read James Eterno&#039;s response to the rally call on the ICE blog.
http://iceuftblog.blogspot.com/

The video I put up of how Randi sold out the ATR rally is here:
http://ednotesonline.blogspot.com/2009/01/video-uft-doesnt-want-you-to-see-atr.html


Norm


Responding to Randi
by guest blogger, Vera Pavone


By now you have all received a Dear Colleagues letter from President Weingarten calling for you to sign up in a “union campaign” in response to the looming cutbacks. Some comments on her statements (italics):

Unemployment…is expected to reach 9 percent in 2010.

What about the real unemployment situation? Including part time and discouraged workers? Where have our union historians and analysts been in recent years when many economists have been pointing out a real unemployment rate of between 9 and 12%, indicating a structural problem that would eventually have a huge impact on effective demand? And then, the widespread destruction of higher paid union jobs which left many workers with significantly lower incomes. All of which, in turn contributed to the explosion of private debt, the financial bubble, and the predictable collapse.

At least 46 states are facing huge budget deficits... In Albany, the deficit for the upcoming fiscal year has reached more than $15 billion.

What about the decades-long shortchanging of cities and public services as a result of taxation and spending policies? Examples, lower federal taxes on rich, states forced to pick up costs formerly paid by federal government, huge military spending, federal subsidies for corporate giants like farming and oil monopolies, and NYC subsidies to wealthy real estate and business interests. Why didn’t the union join the call for a stock-transfer tax, which would have tapped into all the profitable speculative trading?

Between the city and state, education is slated for more than $1.5 billion in cutbacks.

Where was the money when the city was rich? Why weren’t new schools built and why weren’t CFE funds spent where they were mandated to be spent—in the schools? Now we have nothing to give up. Many of our schools are already overcrowded; our class sizes are already too large, children have to travel miles all over the city because schools haven’t been built in neighborhoods with expanding populations, adding enormous transportation costs on to the education bills. Not to mention the cost of a growing education bureaucracy dedicated to excessive testing, data manipulation, administrative policies punitive toward teachers, demoralization of staff, and harassment of senior teachers. Then there is the costly chaos of closing large schools, opening up small ones, hiring four principals for one school building, repeatedly changing the bureaucratic structure, and hiring costly educational experts and monitors, with their checklists and buzzwords but nary a clue about what to do to make our schools more effective.

Predictably, the calls are already going out to reduced pensions and health benefits.

Why hasn’t our union joined the nationwide voices that are calling for universal health care? Where is a union-led movement to make social security more of a safety net for retirees by raising the income ceiling on taxable income and increasing benefits? Where were our union-designated pension board members when our pension funds were being put at risk through speculative investment?

A major call to action…a powerful public information, lobbying and action campaign…calling for… federal help and some additional fair taxes…and a hard look at the expenditure side to prioritize the classroom…[and identify] alternative education savings including downsizing the DOE’s vast testing apparatus… [and] the possibility of a retirement incentive.

Here are battles that should have begun long ago. Fair taxes? Where was the union when the upper tax rate was reduced from 39% to 35% at a time when the income gap between rich and poor was increasing greatly? Where was the union when the Bush administration launched a war that is expected to cost us three trillion dollars? Where was the union when successive administrations and congressional regimes paved the way for the eroding of our real economy through a free trade race to the bottom, the proliferation of offshore accounts to avoid paying taxes, and the destruction of a responsible banking system through deregulation? As for the vast testing apparatus, this is only one of the many boondoggles that have enriched corporate friends of the mayor and chancellor at the expense of our school system and our union members.

An effective call to action necessitates:

    * clear economic demands, not just begging for a few crumbs: raising income and corporate taxes on the wealthy, closing tax loopholes and eliminating most subsidies, and re-directing federal money to states and municipalities
    *

    * mobilization of the entire labor movement nationwide to fight on behalf of workers (non-union and union) for jobs and services, universal health care, portable pensions, and adequate social security
    *

    * a call for an end to the war in Iraq and a drastic downsizing of military expenditures
    *

    * a campaign to end mayoral control and to replace the present DOE bureaucracy with a non-politicized, elected, responsible and accountable body of educational leaders who have the support of parents and teachers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has Randi no Shame? Fight? I mean really fight? Hold a rally and lobby. And pray. While there was money conditions deteriorated.</p>
<p>Below is a response written by Vera to a letter Randi sent out that I posted on Ed Notes. She uses quotes from Randi&#8217;s letter</p>
<p>And be sure to read James Eterno&#8217;s response to the rally call on the ICE blog.<br />
<a href="http://iceuftblog.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://iceuftblog.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>The video I put up of how Randi sold out the ATR rally is here:<br />
<a href="http://ednotesonline.blogspot.com/2009/01/video-uft-doesnt-want-you-to-see-atr.html" rel="nofollow">http://ednotesonline.blogspot.com/2009/01/video-uft-doesnt-want-you-to-see-atr.html</a></p>
<p>Norm</p>
<p>Responding to Randi<br />
by guest blogger, Vera Pavone</p>
<p>By now you have all received a Dear Colleagues letter from President Weingarten calling for you to sign up in a “union campaign” in response to the looming cutbacks. Some comments on her statements (italics):</p>
<p>Unemployment…is expected to reach 9 percent in 2010.</p>
<p>What about the real unemployment situation? Including part time and discouraged workers? Where have our union historians and analysts been in recent years when many economists have been pointing out a real unemployment rate of between 9 and 12%, indicating a structural problem that would eventually have a huge impact on effective demand? And then, the widespread destruction of higher paid union jobs which left many workers with significantly lower incomes. All of which, in turn contributed to the explosion of private debt, the financial bubble, and the predictable collapse.</p>
<p>At least 46 states are facing huge budget deficits&#8230; In Albany, the deficit for the upcoming fiscal year has reached more than $15 billion.</p>
<p>What about the decades-long shortchanging of cities and public services as a result of taxation and spending policies? Examples, lower federal taxes on rich, states forced to pick up costs formerly paid by federal government, huge military spending, federal subsidies for corporate giants like farming and oil monopolies, and NYC subsidies to wealthy real estate and business interests. Why didn’t the union join the call for a stock-transfer tax, which would have tapped into all the profitable speculative trading?</p>
<p>Between the city and state, education is slated for more than $1.5 billion in cutbacks.</p>
<p>Where was the money when the city was rich? Why weren’t new schools built and why weren’t CFE funds spent where they were mandated to be spent—in the schools? Now we have nothing to give up. Many of our schools are already overcrowded; our class sizes are already too large, children have to travel miles all over the city because schools haven’t been built in neighborhoods with expanding populations, adding enormous transportation costs on to the education bills. Not to mention the cost of a growing education bureaucracy dedicated to excessive testing, data manipulation, administrative policies punitive toward teachers, demoralization of staff, and harassment of senior teachers. Then there is the costly chaos of closing large schools, opening up small ones, hiring four principals for one school building, repeatedly changing the bureaucratic structure, and hiring costly educational experts and monitors, with their checklists and buzzwords but nary a clue about what to do to make our schools more effective.</p>
<p>Predictably, the calls are already going out to reduced pensions and health benefits.</p>
<p>Why hasn’t our union joined the nationwide voices that are calling for universal health care? Where is a union-led movement to make social security more of a safety net for retirees by raising the income ceiling on taxable income and increasing benefits? Where were our union-designated pension board members when our pension funds were being put at risk through speculative investment?</p>
<p>A major call to action…a powerful public information, lobbying and action campaign…calling for… federal help and some additional fair taxes…and a hard look at the expenditure side to prioritize the classroom…[and identify] alternative education savings including downsizing the DOE’s vast testing apparatus… [and] the possibility of a retirement incentive.</p>
<p>Here are battles that should have begun long ago. Fair taxes? Where was the union when the upper tax rate was reduced from 39% to 35% at a time when the income gap between rich and poor was increasing greatly? Where was the union when the Bush administration launched a war that is expected to cost us three trillion dollars? Where was the union when successive administrations and congressional regimes paved the way for the eroding of our real economy through a free trade race to the bottom, the proliferation of offshore accounts to avoid paying taxes, and the destruction of a responsible banking system through deregulation? As for the vast testing apparatus, this is only one of the many boondoggles that have enriched corporate friends of the mayor and chancellor at the expense of our school system and our union members.</p>
<p>An effective call to action necessitates:</p>
<p>    * clear economic demands, not just begging for a few crumbs: raising income and corporate taxes on the wealthy, closing tax loopholes and eliminating most subsidies, and re-directing federal money to states and municipalities<br />
    *</p>
<p>    * mobilization of the entire labor movement nationwide to fight on behalf of workers (non-union and union) for jobs and services, universal health care, portable pensions, and adequate social security<br />
    *</p>
<p>    * a call for an end to the war in Iraq and a drastic downsizing of military expenditures<br />
    *</p>
<p>    * a campaign to end mayoral control and to replace the present DOE bureaucracy with a non-politicized, elected, responsible and accountable body of educational leaders who have the support of parents and teachers.</p>
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