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		<title>By: Dojo Directory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dojo Directory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Sep 2010 19:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey,
 This is a great blog, I enjoyed reading and will definitely return soon!
 Thanks a lot,
 Dave C
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey,<br />
 This is a great blog, I enjoyed reading and will definitely return soon!<br />
 Thanks a lot,<br />
 Dave C<br />
 <a href='http://www.dojodirectory.co.uk/' rel="nofollow">Dojo Directory</a></p>
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		<title>By: leonard kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>leonard kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a book for Bill Gates to Publish so he can change the world 4 the 2nd. time</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a book for Bill Gates to Publish so he can change the world 4 the 2nd. time</p>
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		<title>By: tim backcat</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2008/11/12/gates-foundation-will-steer-its-education-giving-in-a-new-direction-but-how-much-impact-will-the-billions-have/comment-page-1/#comment-113602</link>
		<dc:creator>tim backcat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 21:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great information and usefull too. I need a grant and I need all the help I can get. I will be back soon as I have bookmarked your blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great information and usefull too. I need a grant and I need all the help I can get. I will be back soon as I have bookmarked your blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Newman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Newman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 01:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Waste of money. Spend it on high quality day care. Research demonstrates it works saving over $100K for every child participating in the program. Don&#039;t believe me, check out some research on the Perry Preschool Study. Find out why the Harlem Children&#039;s Zone is so effective.  
This past weekend one of my students was jumped, two weeks ago her parents did a smash on grab on each other&#039;s car, just how much do you think this student cares about a standardized test?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Waste of money. Spend it on high quality day care. Research demonstrates it works saving over $100K for every child participating in the program. Don&#8217;t believe me, check out some research on the Perry Preschool Study. Find out why the Harlem Children&#8217;s Zone is so effective.<br />
This past weekend one of my students was jumped, two weeks ago her parents did a smash on grab on each other&#8217;s car, just how much do you think this student cares about a standardized test?</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 23:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am wondering how the identification of the &quot;poor&quot; is done.  Rural America is crying for help.  Our District has outdated technology with no viable way to sustain the purchase of new technology.  As to what makes a good teacher - ask students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am wondering how the identification of the &#8220;poor&#8221; is done.  Rural America is crying for help.  Our District has outdated technology with no viable way to sustain the purchase of new technology.  As to what makes a good teacher &#8211; ask students.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Carter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 04:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wanted to say, Thank you!  To Bill and Melinda Gates for contributing all of &quot;THEIR&quot; money to this cause!!!

Most people would be too greedy to do so.  
There are so many factors that effect eduation these days, from peer pressure to ADHD, to home life. Some children learn by reading and some by hearing. Some have to it before it sinks in.  NOT an easy task no matter how you slice it!!!  Let&#039;s face it, Teachers make all of the difference in the world.  God Bless you Bill and Melinda Gates!!!!!  Again, Thank you for your efforts!  Rick Carter</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to say, Thank you!  To Bill and Melinda Gates for contributing all of &#8220;THEIR&#8221; money to this cause!!!</p>
<p>Most people would be too greedy to do so.<br />
There are so many factors that effect eduation these days, from peer pressure to ADHD, to home life. Some children learn by reading and some by hearing. Some have to it before it sinks in.  NOT an easy task no matter how you slice it!!!  Let&#8217;s face it, Teachers make all of the difference in the world.  God Bless you Bill and Melinda Gates!!!!!  Again, Thank you for your efforts!  Rick Carter</p>
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		<title>By: John Stallcup</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Stallcup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 01:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Gates Foundation continues to believe you can impact high school and college performance while ignoring what occurs in the first six grades. If you haven’t mastered your math facts by fourth grade (like 90% of Singapore’s students have) you will have difficulty learning Algebra. If you don&#039;t learn to read in the early grades then you will continue to struggle with many other subjects. Why not focus the effort (and budget) on creating the world&#039;s most effective elementary school process? Anything done after that is remediation by definition, more costly, less effective and to paraphrase Mr. Gates &quot;Random&quot;. You would think a guy who made his billions by purchasing an existing software program and improving it would do the same in education. If anyone understands when you try and add application software (algebra, chemistry, physics,) to a non functional operating system (basic math skills and reading) you get random results its Bill Gates. There are plenty of highly effective elementary programs in other countries because they focus on early elementary school program effectiveness. So the Gates foundation will continue to amaze, confuse and disappoint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Gates Foundation continues to believe you can impact high school and college performance while ignoring what occurs in the first six grades. If you haven’t mastered your math facts by fourth grade (like 90% of Singapore’s students have) you will have difficulty learning Algebra. If you don&#8217;t learn to read in the early grades then you will continue to struggle with many other subjects. Why not focus the effort (and budget) on creating the world&#8217;s most effective elementary school process? Anything done after that is remediation by definition, more costly, less effective and to paraphrase Mr. Gates &#8220;Random&#8221;. You would think a guy who made his billions by purchasing an existing software program and improving it would do the same in education. If anyone understands when you try and add application software (algebra, chemistry, physics,) to a non functional operating system (basic math skills and reading) you get random results its Bill Gates. There are plenty of highly effective elementary programs in other countries because they focus on early elementary school program effectiveness. So the Gates foundation will continue to amaze, confuse and disappoint.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 22:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The new initiatives will be given a chance,

not because the previous one was successful,

not because these people have a track record of success with education,

not because stakeholders in education met, discussed, argued, and put something forward,

but only because they have money to back it.

The best democracy money can buy?

The rest of us are left to vote for people who might carry out policies we agree with. They just buy the policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The new initiatives will be given a chance,</p>
<p>not because the previous one was successful,</p>
<p>not because these people have a track record of success with education,</p>
<p>not because stakeholders in education met, discussed, argued, and put something forward,</p>
<p>but only because they have money to back it.</p>
<p>The best democracy money can buy?</p>
<p>The rest of us are left to vote for people who might carry out policies we agree with. They just buy the policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Leonie Haimson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leonie Haimson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excerpt:&quot;Though they wanted to look carefully at precisely how the schools they had invested in succeeded or failed, a nuanced picture was rendered impossible because of the poor quality of information on what happens in schools, officials said.&quot;

In the evaluations throughout the country of the Gates-sponsored small schools, done by independent researchers but funded by the Gates foundations. many of the interviews with teachers and students revolved around the fact that the aspect of their schools they most valued were their small classes, though in other schools, it is clear from the interviews and descriptions that some other of these schools didn&#039;t have small classes, and thus teachers and students felt cheated. of what they had expected. Yet another set of schools had started off with small classes but lost them over time.

when I followed up with some of the authors of these reports to ask them if they had studied whether class size might be a factor that could account for some of the differential outcomes between schools -- with some evident successes and some failures, they told me they hadn&#039;t been allowed to study this factor in a systematic fashion by the rigid requirements set out by the Gates foundation.  Instead, they had been told to analyze the degree to which more more amorphous factors, like &quot;rigor&quot; or &quot;community partnerships,&quot; had been evidenced, and their relationship to the academic outcomes at their schools. 

Earlier, the Gates Foundation had commissioned national surveys that showed that teachers (and parents) thought that class size was more important than school size -- but  in their initiative, they apparently sought to bury this distinction and ignore the importance of this factor in their analyses.  

It is ironic that now they bemoan the &quot;poor quality of information on what happens in schools&quot; since the way they designed their own studies suffered tremendously from this failing.  And though they now say they intend to focus on the classroom instead, I rather doubt that class size will be among the factors that they examine when they analyze teacher effectiveness.  Though I would love to be proven wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excerpt:&#8221;Though they wanted to look carefully at precisely how the schools they had invested in succeeded or failed, a nuanced picture was rendered impossible because of the poor quality of information on what happens in schools, officials said.&#8221;</p>
<p>In the evaluations throughout the country of the Gates-sponsored small schools, done by independent researchers but funded by the Gates foundations. many of the interviews with teachers and students revolved around the fact that the aspect of their schools they most valued were their small classes, though in other schools, it is clear from the interviews and descriptions that some other of these schools didn&#8217;t have small classes, and thus teachers and students felt cheated. of what they had expected. Yet another set of schools had started off with small classes but lost them over time.</p>
<p>when I followed up with some of the authors of these reports to ask them if they had studied whether class size might be a factor that could account for some of the differential outcomes between schools &#8212; with some evident successes and some failures, they told me they hadn&#8217;t been allowed to study this factor in a systematic fashion by the rigid requirements set out by the Gates foundation.  Instead, they had been told to analyze the degree to which more more amorphous factors, like &#8220;rigor&#8221; or &#8220;community partnerships,&#8221; had been evidenced, and their relationship to the academic outcomes at their schools. </p>
<p>Earlier, the Gates Foundation had commissioned national surveys that showed that teachers (and parents) thought that class size was more important than school size &#8212; but  in their initiative, they apparently sought to bury this distinction and ignore the importance of this factor in their analyses.  </p>
<p>It is ironic that now they bemoan the &#8220;poor quality of information on what happens in schools&#8221; since the way they designed their own studies suffered tremendously from this failing.  And though they now say they intend to focus on the classroom instead, I rather doubt that class size will be among the factors that they examine when they analyze teacher effectiveness.  Though I would love to be proven wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: StatMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>StatMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it encouraging that a private foundation with tremendous public influence doesn&#039;t seem to be bending over backward to spin its numbers. Seems like the foundation is fairly honest about some of the disappointments, and the fact that the jury is still out on the what-makes-a-good-teacher question. Any thoughts? My guess is that prestige is as limiting a factor as pay for modern day prospective teachers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it encouraging that a private foundation with tremendous public influence doesn&#8217;t seem to be bending over backward to spin its numbers. Seems like the foundation is fairly honest about some of the disappointments, and the fact that the jury is still out on the what-makes-a-good-teacher question. Any thoughts? My guess is that prestige is as limiting a factor as pay for modern day prospective teachers.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bernard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After 8 years of botched top-down reform, you would think the foundation folks would show some humility instead of just jumping from one magic bullet to another. I wonder which one of the faithful at this meeting will be chosen by Mr. Gates to be the new education secretary? Probably the one who applauded the loudest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After 8 years of botched top-down reform, you would think the foundation folks would show some humility instead of just jumping from one magic bullet to another. I wonder which one of the faithful at this meeting will be chosen by Mr. Gates to be the new education secretary? Probably the one who applauded the loudest.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Reckhow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Reckhow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I echo the comments above. The reporting is GREAT! And who gets to attend these future regional meetings? I think your last segment on &quot;political will&quot; is particularly interesting. Phillips says the foundation is &quot;biased toward action.&quot; But they are faced with the inconvenient fact that the political process is typically biased toward inaction. Building a coalition or engaging in open deliberation are time consuming processes, not to mention facing organized opposition to your agenda. Of course, there are ways to avoid certain aspects of the political process-- focusing foundation resources on districts with mayoral or state control could be one way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I echo the comments above. The reporting is GREAT! And who gets to attend these future regional meetings? I think your last segment on &#8220;political will&#8221; is particularly interesting. Phillips says the foundation is &#8220;biased toward action.&#8221; But they are faced with the inconvenient fact that the political process is typically biased toward inaction. Building a coalition or engaging in open deliberation are time consuming processes, not to mention facing organized opposition to your agenda. Of course, there are ways to avoid certain aspects of the political process&#8211; focusing foundation resources on districts with mayoral or state control could be one way.</p>
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		<title>By: Sherman Dorn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sherman Dorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 14:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great reporting! I looked through several pages at the Gates Foundation website but couldn&#039;t see any reference to regional meetings. A few obvious questions: Are these meetings scheduled, or just promised? And will they be open to a broad spectrum of folks, or will it be invitation-only, as apparently this meeting was?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great reporting! I looked through several pages at the Gates Foundation website but couldn&#8217;t see any reference to regional meetings. A few obvious questions: Are these meetings scheduled, or just promised? And will they be open to a broad spectrum of folks, or will it be invitation-only, as apparently this meeting was?</p>
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